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OpenStudy (owlfred):

OpenStudy Feedback Session 4/25/2011 - Come one come all and talk with the OpenStudy Team!

OpenStudy (owlfred):

Hello!

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

Here we are folks!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hey

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hello

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Hi.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

BOO!

OpenStudy (owlfred):

We just made some changes. What do you all think?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I think... there should be a link to http://www.wolframalpha.com/ somewhere on the page so that people don't waste other people's time

OpenStudy (chris):

Hello all! We just released some new features - a new study group design, new reward features like medals and achievements - what do you all think?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Pretty nice. I'd like the font size to be a bit larger (tiny print is hard on the eyes with small indexes or exponents).

OpenStudy (anonymous):

who has gmial

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hmmm so far so good except im waiting to u do the feature so that we can view our asked questions!! ^_^

OpenStudy (chris):

@tryceo good suggestion - we may contact them to see if we can do that

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the achievements is a nice touch, but glitchy i have the achievement for answering 100 questions, but not the one for 10

OpenStudy (chris):

haha yep =) it's coming this week @I<3Fun

OpenStudy (owlfred):

What would make you tell your friends about OpenStudy?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah, I agree. It'd be nice to be able to keep track of questions in an easy to use interface (either ones you've asked or ones you've answered).

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

chiaroscuro whoops... That's definitely a problem we'll look into, thanks!

myininaya (myininaya):

i don't if it is kindof problem on my part, but everything I answer a question I have to leave to question and come back to type something new.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

polpak, as Chris mentioned, that's definitely coming to a profile near you sometime this week (both questions you asked and questions you've answered).

myininaya (myininaya):

see i have to come back

OpenStudy (anonymous):

shadowfiend

OpenStudy (anonymous):

http://www.wolframalpha.com/ tell people to use this ok?

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

myininaya we've seen that occasionally, but not as persistently as you're saying. What browser do you use?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I would really like a way to disable the auto-preview and seeing when people are typing, as the box for typing in jumps around alot as people start typing things, or when you're writing in an equation. I'd prefer a preview button I can click once I've finished to show the preview, but doesn't change as I'm typing.

myininaya (myininaya):

fox fire

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Notifications do not load. Please fix.

myininaya (myininaya):

or fire fox lol whatever

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

myininaya, okay, we'll have a look. We haven't been seeing that problem much lately, so it's very surprising.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

shadowfind

myininaya (myininaya):

ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Do you guys have the source code for this website? Cause it is somewhat buggy... There are a lot of misposts?

myininaya (myininaya):

thx

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i agree with polpak on the previewing also, this might be my browser (chrome) after i type an equation, typing regular words (or even equations) makes the textbook jump

OpenStudy (chris):

hey tryceo - what do you mean by misposts?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It does that in firefox and chrome chiaroscuro.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

tryceo what do you mean by misposts? (And yes, all the code on the site except for the math typesetting is written by us.)

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

polpak, fair, we're looking at a way to keep the box steady, but I haven't quite gotten all the bugs ironed out of the implementation.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Will i get a notification for every post that comes after mine now? WTF?? Why would you make it that way????

OpenStudy (anonymous):

When I answer 1 question.. it would sometimes appear on another post.. It disappears when you refresh the page, but stilll.. I don't like bugs.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

could you somehow make these open sessions separate somehow? i just got 42 notifications :D

OpenStudy (anonymous):

shadow

OpenStudy (owlfred):

What new features would you all like to see?

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

chiaroscuro, yeah, that's a related symptom that I also hope to fix with the aforementioned change.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

tryceo, yeah, that's a known one. We're posting a fix in the next few days.

myininaya (myininaya):

hey shadow how can I ask you somethign one on one

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

But you will get notifications on the site.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'd like to be able to ignore people to be honest. There are a few individuals who are either bothersome or rude that I'd just prefer not to deal with (mary1000 in this thread for example)

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

myininaya we don't have private messaging, but if you want to ask something outside of this context, post it to the openstudy feedback group and I'll have a look :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

lols ditto

OpenStudy (chris):

ok anyone else missing the ignore feature?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It would be nice to have messaging system, as currently the only way to privately contact someone is to give your email, but you have to do it on a public question so everyone would have it.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Also, private messaging is a great feature that you should add. It's not hard, just implement a few buttons and download the scripts for messaging.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay, i'm totally for hte ignore.....

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Seriously.. ignore.. This is why.

myininaya (myininaya):

i just wanted to say how do we deal with spammers i have only seen one, but it is annoying

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes ignore is cool

OpenStudy (anonymous):

;)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes i agree with Tryceo bc i mean when u ask a question certain people either rly rly help u or they just confuse u more :P so its good to be able to ask the people that rly rly help u ^^

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Or if there was another way to self-moderate I'd be ok with that too.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

shadow, or chris, you said i shouldn't get notifications if i'm on the thread... i'm on the question and i'm still getting notifications browser problem

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes i am too

OpenStudy (chris):

polpak how do you mean self moderate?

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

We're actually working on on-site moderation, yes. We'd love to hear thoughts. Some ideas: - community moderators who can delete posts and suspend users - everyone can `report abuse' and after a certain threshold (say three reports) the question/post auto-hides or auto-suspends for a user

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Woah.. this is a company? didn't know that... How do you even make money? Ad spaces?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well, like redit for example, you can downvote responses and after a certain threshold they would not be visible unless you click a link to see them etc.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

chiaroscuro you shouldn't be getting *emailed* notifications, but you will get them in the browser, sorry :/

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thumbs up for reddit!

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

And to be clear, we have stuff in the works to reduce notifications, too. Including only emailing you once per question until you visit it again.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh no biggie, i understood you wrong, thanks i turned off my email notifications :P thanks

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

Only notifying you once per question until you visit again*

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

polpak exactly that concept, yes.

OpenStudy (chris):

@tryceo - we're actually not making money at the moment - we're funded by the National Science Foundation, National Institutes of Health, and the NGLC initiative by the Gates foundation. While we're a for-profit, our main goal is to build the most engaging, free, open learning community we can - and then worry about it. But what you use today will always remain free.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

this might be count as spam but... I GOT A MEDAL FOR THIS QUESTION ^_^

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Also, you should add private messaging.

myininaya (myininaya):

you know what would be cool. an instant messenger you could type math equations on easily.

OpenStudy (darthsid):

myininaya - currently we manually moderate by deleting inappropriate content. We also, when necessary, suspend or ban users.

OpenStudy (owlfred):

Tryceo, I see you refer WolframAlpha a lot. Do you think WRA explains answers better than people?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

lols mininaya, i imagine that to be very hard

myininaya (myininaya):

instant messenger would allow private chat

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

myininaya there's actually already some scripts to add that functionality to Google Chat; I forget what the project is called.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I will sometimes refer to wolframalpha to show a graph or something, but I think most students will go there if they just want answers. They should be coming here if they want explanations of answers.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

WRA answers way better than people, because they don't make mistakes and they show the steps for 90% of the problems

OpenStudy (anonymous):

tryceo, not attacking you or anything..but if you like wra so much....why are you here??

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

Private chat has quite a few issues, including concerns with abuse. What's the kind of thing you would think you'd want to discuss over private chat?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Not really though. Sometimes the steps can be confusing, and other times it will (for example) pull something from a table of integrals instead of showing how that formula is derived.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Also @chris... You should really add a PM system... here is a PM script I just found.. http://pmsys.sourceforge.net/ Take a look at it or something. I'm pretty sure there are tons out there, but the implementation should be of little hassle.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

in the equation section can you add equations for combinatorics?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I don't think implementation of private messaging is the problem as much as making sure it fits with the use case of the site.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

No one is here trying to learn how to prove integration formulas, if they wanted that, they can go to wikipedia.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

polpak, tryceo, precisely. That's why I'm asking about the specific interactions you would like to resort to private messaging for. We're not opposed to it, and effort isn't the problem. It's a question of whether we think it's important to the fundamental OpenStudy experience.

OpenStudy (chris):

@polpak that's correct - that it's needed for our site and it won't be abused by our users (e.g. harassment) . We want to be very sure that stuff isn't happening on our site.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

But people can be abusive in public chat just as easily.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

deeprony7, you can use any LaTeX in the equation editor, but we only have toolbar buttons for a subset of the functionality.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

polpak yes, but it's easier to catch then, and particularly as we add the moderation features it's easier to take care of.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I don't know why it won't be good? Most of the time, questions will get lost in the answered place, and when you have a private messaging, you can fully engage with the student, and answer any private follow-up questions.

OpenStudy (darthsid):

Polpak, people are much less abusive in the public chat, just because they know others are watching. Also, public chat allows us moderators to easily curb offensive content.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

Additionally, the public aspect is typically a strong disincentive (though it doesn't eliminate abuse entirely by any means).

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