Question

Ambassadors should be able to warn people.

It's like a symbiotic relationship - or maybe, a dependant one.

* Ambassadors will depend on moderators and administrators for banning.

* Moderators will depend on administrators for IP banning.

* And finally, Administrators will depend on the mods and ambassadors to reduce their work.

Answer 1

I think us just doing what other users do and reporting them is more than enough.

Also, Parth, I really think you push for my power/responsibilities for Ambassadors than is really necessary.

Answer 2

The trolling, sometimes, gets too much. In that case, we should be able to make it look a little bit serious.
As I mention again and again, they DON'T listen to unofficial authorities.

Answer 3

I agree with you @ParthKohli

Instead of apointing more moderators we may have some duties apointed to the ambassadors .. . . this will make the work easier of mods .. and yes !! the present ambys are trust worthy .. they will not make this thing going wrong way

Answer 4

Warning is no power, Becca.

Answer 5

@rebeccaskell94 --> u have mentioned this to me also .. but the present generation of users is very advanced ... we need at the spot banning

Answer 6

Warning in a chat may be dangerous through the cusses coming in for the people trying to explain.

Warning by the pop-ups will inform them for once, and they wouldn't be able to reply anything.

Answer 7

The only thing they listen to is the ones dressed in purple.

Answer 8

" warning " will make no effect to the trollers especially world famous trollers

Answer 9

Or, they should make 'secret' moderators who are NOT moderators, and only warning moderators.

The word 'secret' says that those people wouldn't be known to be warning users.

Answer 10

yes ledah has a point : the trollers generally get afraid of the mods instead of ambys' ..

Answer 11

Exactly, and we need some warning mods/ambassadors who warn users.
Ambassadors may not always remain nice to new users, when new users are spoilt trolls.

Answer 12

ambassadors being able to ban people on the spot, though perhaps reasonable sounding, seems a less-likely prospect than a stronger warning button so that they can report someone as a bad user and not have to report each individual comment.

I understand that doesn't solve the problem immediately, but that can be hard for even admin to do at times when people are dead-set on trolling

Answer 13

" Secret mods " -sorry will make this site frightening for the new users ..

Apointing more mods --> will make this site more formal .. and users will not be able to put their point in an easier manner

Answer 14

We have most of the trolls in chat, but I have seen a lot of moderators not in the chat.

Answer 15

Hi guys, and I think you are straying away from the role of what the Ambassadors are for - their *purpose* on OpenStudy.

Ambassadors are here to welcome new users - that's it. So, if their job is to welcome, and a new user ends up getting a warning from an Ambassador, that doesn't make them very welcoming, does it?

I would, again, use the experience of @ash2326 in how he has been an Ambassador. He welcomes the new user, and depending on if they respond positively or not, he either helps them out and shows them the ropes, or quietly walks away and files an Abuse Report and helps someone else.

Answer 16

It always will(and should) go like this:
Explanation in chat ---> Explanation in a warning ----> Suspension

Answer 17

I just think that while some people were able to get to be Ambassador them having any powers is not a good idea. Some are too desperate for attention/power/people higher up to notice them. I also this it is unnecessary. The mods and ambassadors have been separated for a purpose. If we were meant to ban/suspend/warn people we'd be mods.

Answer 18

@Colm What do you think about the warning moderators?

Answer 19

Parth in all honesty. Colm is right.

Answer 20

yes having a warning option ? right ledah ... i think that Colm sir has A GREAT point

Answer 21

Yeah. @mathslover

Answer 22

The troll-slot — the slot where no moderator is available.

This slot has to be planned carefully. ^

Answer 23

I suppose Colm is right, but the only other option is to add more mods for these hours (don't know if you read the below post from whence this idea came yet Colm)

Answer 24

The users who are half worthy of being moderators can be warning moderators.

Answer 25

ehh.. warning moderators... seems kind of.. like a regular moderator

Answer 26

yeah !

Answer 27

I think mods need to stay as mods are and regular users as they are and then ambassadors can/should stick with the position they have been giving.

Answer 28

creating a new class just for special warnings seems a bit extraneous to me honestly

Answer 29

*given

Answer 30

I completely agree with TuringTest.

Answer 31

I would prefer to allocate that ability, were we to implement it, to an already existing group. Colm has pointed out that ambassadors already have a designated role. I'm not sure what other ideas he and the rest of admin might come up with to solve this problem.

Answer 32

What do you mean by implement it to an existing group? As in, make some for say the math group? I might have misunderstood your take earlier when I agreed with you.

haha I don't think we need regular users with special privileges especially ones that are dealing with corrective measures. I think they'd get too much of a power trip out of that. It's jut been my experience and being on for a while and seeing users interact just as regular users without any special privileges or powers.

Answer 33

*just

Answer 34

I retyped what I wrote above; I meant allocate that responsibility to some already existing group with some kind of title... but I guess that would only leave ambassadors.

I just meant that creating a new class of users like "special advisers" just to give special warning won't do much. I also agree with your point about allocating that ability to regular users without any title.

Answer 35

@parth what was the point of changing your original post, like that?
and @turing Oh.

Answer 36

Like I've said I haven't had a problem yet that I couldn't handle without reporting
but this morning was just horrible

Answer 37

Ambassadors are kinda diplomats, we need to be polite and welcoming. If there is any user breaking the cod of conduct, we should just give them a polite heads up and if they aren't changing their behavior/activity. We should just file an abuse report and leave the task to the mods.
What are your views @ParthKohli @cshalvey ?

Answer 38

Uhm. Let me clear this - We have NO mods at the death time.

Answer 39

I agree with Ash.
Parth, we have mods. They just aren't as active.

Answer 40

^correct

Answer 41

Having no mods is just the same as him/her not being active.

Answer 42

Ummm, but they would get to know about the miscreants eventually @ParthKohli

Answer 43

It'd be too late, wouldn't it be?

Answer 44

Well, they do what they can when they get back. I really don't think you're giving them much credit right now.

Answer 45

I believe that the troll would have been fed already, had successfully troubled the peace, enjoyed that logout with a couple of cokes, and would be on a yacht enjoying the night.

Answer 46

I agree with you @ash2326 but for the issue that Ledah was saying in the other post about bad comments coming too quickly in chat to report. That led me to say that there should be the ability to report a user from their profile pic. Then it became an issue of "if we have this feature, will it get abused?".
As I think about it I don't think that that system is any more prone to abuse than the current one, but the idea that it should belong to a certain trusted group to prevent abuse led to this post.

Answer 47

I like the idea of a report button on profile pics as long as they made it so that the person reporting *had* to give a reason.

Answer 48

that is more or less my idea as well^

Answer 49

I think mods would take the necessary action. I know this won't be as effective as immediate warning/ suspension. But still this could work.
Even if we have mods from all around the world, some time or another we won't have anyone active. @ParthKohli

Answer 50

I'm pretty much active all day..

Answer 51

Yes. I totally agree. One of the users was posting some pictures that were hurting.

Answer 52

That, and sometimes immediate warnings/suspensions are relatively rare. Most users straighten up pretty quickly. Yeah, some just need to go, like my cute little friend the other day, but I think misjudgment by another user because they like using their new power is too much of a risk.

Answer 53

I use "risk" loosely.

Answer 54

true, it is an issue of how frequently we have time where there is *no* active mod around. Statistically it's gonna happen once in a while without 100 mods, and even with 100...

Answer 55

I just like the idea of trying to make it more efficient, and rather than appointing x number of new mods. I feel like giving some ability to ambassadors that would allow these users to be more prone to get attention from mods (when they return) might be helpful.

Answer 56

Yes. but what if an ambassador gets caught up in the mix, and lose their better judgement..?

Answer 57

loses*

Answer 58

Mods could do the same, technically.

Answer 59

that is why the power does have to be limited to, I would say, nothing more than the ability to put out higher priority warnings to mods and admin about bad apples

Answer 60

I don't thing some of our amby's need that, though.

Answer 61

From what I've seen mods tend to keep a better head

Answer 62

I think giving ambassadors more than what they have already, could be troublesome.

Answer 63

@Turing but some ambassadors are too interested in getting attention from people higher up (mods) so you'd just as likely get spammed with reports with them nitpicking. Technically, they would be legit reports but most situations could be resolved with a redirecting word.

Such as I did on chat just now.

Answer 64

She is right. I've noticed this as well.

Answer 65

I believe that the first batch of ambassadors is perfect to be given a chance. We guys are not that great on the other hand.

Answer 66

They are crystal-clean people.

Answer 67

You say that about a lot of people..

Answer 68

@rebeccaskell94 Thank you for handling that situation, but I'm glad you brought it to my attention, and that is the point here to me. That is the kind of ability I would like to see a bit more streamlined for people like ambassadors. If they start to abuse their abilities they can have their title revoked very quickly.

Answer 69

I guess. It's just I know our amby's are mostly young people that aren't uhh quite as mature as they could be and giving them more privileges than is really necessary could be detrimental. I suppose if you were to removed a title quickly then perhaps it would work. I think it would make the ambassador group a possible headache for the moderators though and 1 or 2 "bad" ambassadors could really screw it over for the rest of them.

Answer 70

It should only be possible for much more mature and older people.. in my opinion

Answer 71

around the ages of maybe 19+ :l

Answer 72

I'm presuming these people want to be ambassadors, whatever their age, and that the threat of losing their title should be enough to stop any abuse of power. If not It should be no biggie to take it away in no time.
btw I would certainly entrust that ability to people like parth and becca who are not 19+

Answer 73

Well put.

Answer 74

I trust becca and parth both.

Answer 75

I don't think older is so much a factor, as maturity. Thanks guys, that was nice.

Answer 76

I rather do what I do best and try to stop fights and other stuff from happening.

Answer 77

I have to give Ledah props, as well. He really does try his best to encourage the right behavior, specifically on chat, without getting caught up in their fights/drama.

Answer 78

:) Thanks becca.

Answer 79

That is totally correct. Remember, the admins can do anything;.they can revoke too. They can experiment people who handle such responsibilities.

Answer 80

What do you mean parth?

Answer 81

I think he means that he wants the mods to give the ambassadors the chance because the can basically undo any damage that is done. (sort of)

Answer 82

*they

Answer 83

-drew a blank-

Answer 84

Chance to warn ONLY.

Answer 85

I still think it's unnecessary/possibly detrimental but that is just my opinion.

Answer 86

Read that reply again. I am talking about all the members, not only ambassadors.

Answer 87

er.. no bad idea.

Answer 88

options I see:
1) add more mods for habitually problematic times of the day
-...but how many would we need to add?
2) grant some extra ability to ambassadors that makes their ability to communicate with mods more direct
- there is enough reason to believe that some ambassadors may not use this ability properly, minimal as it may be. I hope that what I said above would be enough to handle that abuse, but.
3)create a new class of "more mature" users who have some kind of extra moderation power
- creating an extra class just for this seems to me to be out of proportion to the apparent problem
4) settle for things the way they are

Answer 89

just one or two mods for those times I stated earlier in my post would work

Answer 90

I'd love if 3) happens.

Answer 91

It's hard to say I think. Adding another mod doesn't mean they will always be there obviously. *If* it is as simple as that I would jump for that solution.

Answer 92

I'm always here at that time. I work all day on the computer. :l

Answer 93

wanna be a mod? :)

Answer 94

not that I'm offering (or that I even could), but you said you didn't want to be an ambassador

Answer 95

I will wait for my time to come to serve as a mod.

Answer 96

Soon, Ledah, soon!