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OpenStudy (anonymous):

help on square roots and The little sign thingy that is confusing me

OpenStudy (anonymous):

help |dw:1377211229907:dw|

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Well, that little sign thingy means at least 5 different things, so small wonder you find it confusing. It depends heavily on the context exactly what it means. What problem are you working on?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

a number that produces a specified quantity when multiplied by itself. "7 is a square root of 49"

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well what I am having trouble with is what the + over minus means? how you do you square a negative is it the same as a positive?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i know how to square so

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

You didn't answer my question. Depending on exactly what you are doing, it might mean different things.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes it is. so the square root of -64 is -8

OpenStudy (debbieg):

"to square" a number simply means to multiply it by itself. \(\large 2^2=2\cdot2=4\) \(\large x^2=x\cdot x\)

OpenStudy (debbieg):

Noooooo.... the square root of -64 is not defined in the real numbers!

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

No, the square root of -64 is NOT -8. (-8)^2 = +64

OpenStudy (debbieg):

\(\large (-8)^2=(-8)\cdot(-8)=64\)

OpenStudy (debbieg):

Squaring is just multiplying. So just as with any multiplying, positive x positive = positive negative x positive = negative negative x negative = positive

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@DebbieG , could you help me with a question? Just to make sure I am right.

OpenStudy (debbieg):

But back to the square root and the plus/minus symbol.... The square root is the number that you "square" to get the number under the symbol. So \(\large \sqrt{16}=\sqrt{4\cdot4}=4\) Now notice, it is also true that \(\large (-4)\cdot(-4)=16\). But here's the thing: we have DEFINED the square root operation to MEAN the POSITIVE number that, when multiplied by itself, gives you the number under the the sq root symbol, see what I mean?

OpenStudy (debbieg):

post it separately please @m&msdoodle

OpenStudy (debbieg):

So even though both \(\large 4\cdot4=16\) and \(\large (-4)\cdot(-4)=16\), only one of the two (that is, only one of 4 or -4) is DEFINED as the SQUARE ROOT of 16. That is: \(\large \sqrt{16}=4\) But... \(\large -\sqrt{16}=-4\) So when you see something like \(\large \pm\sqrt{16}\), it is referring to BOTH the positive and the negative square root.

OpenStudy (debbieg):

OK, I'm talking to myself. respond and tag me if you want help understanding.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

No, you still are missing my point. That silly symbol can mean many things. It depends on what you are doing. So far, you have not stated a specific purpose.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Generally, the positive one is the "principal" square root.

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