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OpenStudy (studygurl14):

PLEASE HELP @solomonzelman

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

@mathmale @Compassionate @SolomonZelman

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Inflection point is a point where the function changes concavity. The slope of f is decreasing, and now it is increasing (or vice versa). You are already given the graph of the slope/(derivative) of the function. So, like I have seen in previous replies to your question (posted before), it does seem to be that the point with horizontal tangents (x=2, 4) seem to be the inflection points.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

@SolomonZelman is correct f '' is the derivative of f ' to find the inflection points of f, you need to look at where f '' is zero. This happens exactly at the same points where the slope of the tangent line on f ' is zero (ie where there's a horizontal tangent)

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

What I don't understand is how to figure out the concavity if you don't know the graph of f ''

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

you know the graph of f'.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

@StudyGurl14 if f ' is decreasing then f '' will be negative ----> concave down region on f if f ' is increasing then f '' will be positive ----> concave up region on f

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

Ah, I see. And where on f ' will f '' be zero?

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

What is concavity? That is the point when the slope starts increasing and starts decreasing or Vice Versa. Note, I used not "function decreasing/increasing" but "slope increasing decreasing" and that is different. Function {in/de}crease means slope is pos/neg. Slope {in/de}crease means the slope is {becoming larger/ becoming negative} So you can view you graph of f' as if it is f, and view the question as just "when will change increase/decrease" (i.e. when will the function stop having neg slope and change to positive slope or Vice Versa)

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

((because f" is derivative/slope in relation to f', just as f' is derivative/slope in relation to f))

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

I hope I am not being too long and confusing, although I probably am.

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

will f '' be zero where f ' is zero?

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

If you see that f' is increasing till some x=a, and starts to decrease. (or vice versa) then x=a is an inflection point. 9((do you need to find the y-coordinate too?)))

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

f '' describes the slope of the tangent lines on f ' wherever there's a horizontal tangent on f ', the value of f '' will be 0 (horizontal lines ---> slope is 0) see the attached image

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

`will f '' be zero where f ' is zero?` no, we see that f ' is zero at x = 5 but the slope of the tangent line is NOT zero. So f '' will be some positive number and not zero

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

Thank you so much for both of your guys' help. I understand now!

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

Can you help with another one? (i'll tag you)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

sure, go ahead

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