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OpenStudy (kevin):

I need help about math set

OpenStudy (kevin):

@mathmate

OpenStudy (tgstudios):

...yes?

OpenStudy (kevin):

If A = {a, b, {a, c}, ∅} and B = {a, {a}, d, e}, Then: A - ∅ ?

OpenStudy (kevin):

@zepdrix @563blackghost @inkyvoyd

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Hint: Link will give answer AND explains why. Be sure to read the proof! https://proofwiki.org/wiki/Set_Difference_with_Empty_Set_is_Self

OpenStudy (kevin):

which one is it?

OpenStudy (kevin):

∅ is also part of A. That's make me confused :s

OpenStudy (kevin):

Hi @Loser66 Would you help me?

OpenStudy (loser66):

if your family has you, your mom, your dad and your sister what is the family member without you?

OpenStudy (kevin):

So, it's a, b, {a, c} ?

OpenStudy (loser66):

Dat sit

OpenStudy (kevin):

Next question, A - {∅}

OpenStudy (kevin):

Hi @jango_IN_DTOWN Would you help me?

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

what is the question?

OpenStudy (kevin):

If A = {a, b, {a, c}, ∅} and B = {a, {a}, d, e}, Then: a. A - ∅ ? b. A - {∅} ?

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

A-∅ =A A-{∅ }={a, b, {a, c}} In the first case ∅ is the empty set In the second case {∅} this set is deducted from A

OpenStudy (kevin):

Thx! I need more help

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

/post in a new thread .

OpenStudy (kevin):

Ok :(

OpenStudy (kevin):

but it's still same question

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

okay

OpenStudy (kevin):

c. { {a, c} } - A It's ∅ right?

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

correct

OpenStudy (kevin):

{a} - {A} I don't understand this one

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

/i guess it will be ∅ again

OpenStudy (kevin):

Next question, P (A - B)

OpenStudy (kevin):

We supposed to count elements?

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

What does P(A) stands for here?

OpenStudy (kevin):

That's it, I don't understand

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

Generally P stands for probability,

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

But not here

OpenStudy (kevin):

maybe power set

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

Oh yeah, but it has a different symbol. :) like P, but not P. ok..

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

So tell me what is A-B here?

OpenStudy (kevin):

Here is the example If A = {1, 2}, Then P(A) = {∅, {1}, {2}, {1, 2}}

OpenStudy (kevin):

That's it, I guess A-B = {a, b, {a, c}, ∅} - {a, {a}, d, e} A-B = {b, {c}, ∅} Pls check it again, coz I really don't understand with this

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

A-B contains those elements of A which are not in B.. TRy once again finding A-B

OpenStudy (kevin):

Hmmm,, what is it?

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

Do one by one, first take the element a of A. Is it in B? The answer is yes. So we cannot include a in A-B.. Do similarly and give me the answer

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

Well let me write it, you check if I am correct A-B={ b, {a, c}, ∅}

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

Now take the power set. It will give the answer

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

Power set is the set of all possible subsets which can be formed using this set A-B

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

It will contain 2^3=8 elements

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

P(A-B)={b,{a,c},∅,{b,{a,c}},{b,∅},{{a,c},∅},{ b, {a, c}, ∅}}

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

see we got 8 elements Bingoooo

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

@Kevin

OpenStudy (kevin):

hmm... but how do you not eliminate (a) in A? A-B = {a, b, {a, c}, ∅} - {a, {a}, d, e} Sorry, I still understand this part

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

a and {a} are not the same

OpenStudy (kevin):

what is the difference?

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

a is an element. and {a} is a set

OpenStudy (kevin):

so, is there any set of a in A?

OpenStudy (kevin):

I'm thinking to eliminate a from {a, c} in A. But that's not right, right?

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

While evaluating A-B, you need to look at those elements of A, which are not in B . Those will give the answer. No {a} and {a,c} are again different sets. You cannot cancel.

OpenStudy (kevin):

I see, thx. I still have same question

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

Which question? . :)

OpenStudy (kevin):

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

B*B? Its the cartesian product

OpenStudy (kevin):

Should I write the element twice?

OpenStudy (kevin):

still have no clue

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

No B*B ={(b,b) b belongs to B}

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

Let me give you an example Let B={1,2} Then B*B={(1,1),(1,2),(2,1),(2,2)}

OpenStudy (kevin):

I see now :)

OpenStudy (kevin):

Wait, should it be like power set?

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

No. Power set will contain all subsets.. Let me tell you how to compute B*B.

OpenStudy (kevin):

Like this? |dw:1478540676229:dw|

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

. :)correct/

OpenStudy (kevin):

|dw:1478540828043:dw|

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