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BlankSpace:

I identify as a Republican. (the right) Why should I be a Democrat? (the left) [Please only democrats respond. Also debate in a civilized manner.] THESE TOPICS CAN INCLUDE, BUT OR NOT LIMITED TO, ABORTION, RACISM, SEXISM OPPRESSION, IMPEACHMENT OF THE POTUS AND FAT-PRIDE. I am also Australian, not American.

4 months ago
lowkey:

Of course you're a republican.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Is that supposed to be offensive or a compliment? idk

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

This doesn't show anything. I'm asking for someone to try and persuade me to join the left.

4 months ago
Eiwoh2:

I don't understand the point of this question. x'D

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

It's a debate, not a question

4 months ago
Shadow:

@BlankSpace I am here when you're ready.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Ok @Shadow

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

You start.

4 months ago
Shadow:

I personally identify as Independent, but I'm here for fun and a little bit of curiosity.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I love debating, it's interesting.

4 months ago
Shadow:

You should be Democrat since, (1) Trump will be the Republican nomination. And he is terrible.

4 months ago
Shadow:

Let's start there.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Why do you think Trump is terrible?

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

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4 months ago
Shadow:

One of the key aspects he's messed up on is trade. He is obviously nationalistic and pro-America, yet his dealings with China has increased our trade deficit with them. They've responded with hitting key markets of profit for American farmers such as soybean, resulting in an economic loss for the country.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Anything else?

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I can say a few things about Obama too.

4 months ago
Shadow:

As supposedly being the conservative pick for the White House, he's made trade an issue with various countries, not only China, but also Canada. He started increasing tariffs for some odd reason like security concerns. Canada, a close ally, questioned this, then responded in kind. This also hurt small businesses and jobs.

4 months ago
Shadow:

The framework is that Trump has proven himself to be economically unsound. Whilst I admit that he's been good on regulations, his international trade has been utterly disappointing.

4 months ago
Shadow:

Also, Obama isn't running in 2020.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Ok, give me a rundown on who is. Please not Bernie Sanders

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I am really hoping that he's not.

4 months ago
Shadow:

Honestly, I don't like Democrats either for various reasons. I'd be more curious about your thoughts on an Independent candidate.

4 months ago
Shadow:

The Democrats have grown a radical group within it's center, which is pushing the more moderates out unless they cave in to the middle, joining what will likely be the Democratic Party of the future. This has resulted in various policies that will likely bankrupt the country if these people get elected. Since no strong moderates are running, an Independent would likely get all the moderate Democrat voters and the moderate Republican voters.

4 months ago
Shadow:

In debates, all of the radical policies could be emphasized in debates, then they can be pushed out.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Exactly. And it's actually "politically incorrect" to use real facts that ruin the democrats' claims. Like the subject of abortion, or men having more rights than women.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

As in women and men probably did reach equality, but women have most definitely surpassed the rights of a man in terms of being able to have custody of the child, having less jail-time for the same crime but if committed by a man, he would be jailed for a lot longer.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Women also have the right to kill babies because it's "their bodies"

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Abortion, not babies that have been birthed already. But they might as well have.

4 months ago
Shadow:

I can increase your vocabulary and argument there. The way the left understands it, America is a patriarchy. A patriarchy is a system in which men rule, and women typically are subservient, not as powerful, or not as 'privileged.' As I mentioned in chat, these are key words in their understanding of the world, which they think runs off of power and privilege. Aka a white man will be the oppressor of a black woman in many instances, but never a black woman to a white man. Since they think this is the equation: \[Racism = Prejudice + Power \] In this case, power is synonymous with privilege. If I punch the black guy instead of the white guy because he's black, that is prejudice. If I am white, it is racism, because that adds the power dynamic.

4 months ago
Shadow:

It is key to understand this, as this is how they can say black people can't be racist, since if a black person were to punch a white person because they were white, they are prejudiced against them. But since in America all the white people have the 'power,' it cannot be racism.

4 months ago
Shadow:

Does that make sense?

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Yes, it does, but you're not really debating lol. It's more like you agree that democrats make up crap.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Oh yes, Steven Crowder released a new video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nhXQS5UUGQ

4 months ago
Shadow:

Going on the patriarchy bit, here are some key facts to add to your Televisionnal: (1) men commit more suicide -"In 2017, men died by suicide 3.54x more often than women." -"White males accounted for 77.97% of suicide deaths in 2017." (Must be a great system that only empowers them if they are offing themselves, right?) https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/

4 months ago
Shadow:

(2) More men in jail, but you seem to already know that one. Also the sentencing.

4 months ago
Shadow:

(3) Women are doing better than men in education

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Men account for 93% of workplace deaths.

4 months ago
Shadow:

Men take the more dangerous jobs.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

The wage gap exists simply because women have different job preferences then men, which are usually lower-paying.

4 months ago
Shadow:

Haha, was about to say

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

The list goes on and on.

4 months ago
Shadow:

I actually debated Molly, aka YoursTruly a while back on the wage gap.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

She is a big feminist lmao

4 months ago
Shadow:

She actually seems much more conservative nowadays

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

She dislikes that I said that there shouldn't be a day specific for one day.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

for one gender*

4 months ago
Bob:

The terms convervative and liberal make more sense imo and yeah, the soy boys here need their soy ;)

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Hmm

4 months ago
Bob:

wanna debate

4 months ago
Bob:

what do you think of same sex marriage

4 months ago
Bob:

@BlankSpace

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I think it's fine.

4 months ago
Bob:

yeah the picture kind of helped tbh lol

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Although, it's the churches' choice whether or not they want to allow them to be pronounced married in the house of god.

4 months ago
Bob:

do you think there's an object standard for what's right or wrong

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Anywhere else that isn't religious, is the right of the people.

4 months ago
Bob:

objective*

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

No. I just believe getting married in a church (in which the religion of christianity is disgusted by homosexuals, as see in the bible) is not the governments' choice. Some people believe gay people should be allowed to marry in a church, I disagree.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

seen* not see

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I don't care if same-sex marriage is allowed. Just not in a church. It's offensive to the bible.

4 months ago
Bob:

Alright, but christians don't only have a problem with same sex marriages in churches, they have a problem with it globally, not just in churches.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Okay, but that's not the churches' choice. They only have a right in churches, as seen in the constitution. The government is not allowed to disrupt a church's practices.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

And I'm Australian, not American.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Constitution being the US constitution.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Are you understanding?

4 months ago
Bob:

You're Australian, i dont get what this has to do with the conversation

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

In case you thought I was talking about the Australian constitution

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Just as a precaution

4 months ago
Bob:

I know nothing of the australian constitution lol

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Me either lmao

4 months ago
Bob:

you dont ?

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I know more about the US constitution than the AUS constitution because of the media.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

"2nd amendment rights!"

4 months ago
Bob:

don't you think as a citizen of australia you have a duty to know the constitution ?

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I have never felt abused of my rights. The constitution just basically states we have rights as citizens.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Not really anything else.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

We used to be allowed guns

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

But that was removed in the 90's I believe. Now Australia has some of the least amount of crime in the world.

4 months ago
Bob:

that sucks

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

But they did that before everyone had guns

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

If the US did that, there would be way too many criminals with guns

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

That's why the 2nd amendment applies in the US, imo

4 months ago
Bob:

it sounds like you're saying that australia removing guns helped your country. Being a republican, aren't you pro-gun though ?

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I am pro-gun, for the US.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Australia didn't have many people using guns at the time

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

So when they removed it, not really any criminals had guns

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Whereas in the US. If they were to remove guns, criminals would keep them

4 months ago
Bob:

Australia must be a pretty nice place with all the kangaroos hopping around

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Lol

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Most of them are wallabies

4 months ago
Bob:

queen is a pretty nice band, they made a couple songs that are anthems of sporting events

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Yes, okay?

4 months ago
Bob:

your picture lol

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Aren't we having a debate about churches and same-sex marriage?

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

And guns?

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I don't know how Queen came into this conversation lol

4 months ago
Bob:

oh yeah

4 months ago
Bob:

i think mark dice is pretty good

4 months ago
Bob:

you know him ?

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Michael Jackson?

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

He's a pedo

4 months ago
Bob:

whaaaat ? mark dice is a youtuber I think michael jackson is innocent but that's another story

4 months ago
Bob:

The new documentary is a just a money grabbing smear campaign against MJ, here's a guy who already testified under oath that MJ did nothing wrong but now he's "coming out." This is the "#MeTooMovement", as a republican I'm kinda shocked tbh that you didn't see through it.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

His name on pronography sites was "Dr. Black" lmao

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

And "Marcel Jackson"

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Because the evidence is compelling. @Bob

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Did you read the information in the link I gave you?

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

That was the details of what was found in the 2005 raid of the Neverland ranch.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

An official court order.

4 months ago
Bob:

I'm kind of tired of the self-righteous hypocrisy coming out against MJ. The guy helped millions of kids and people around the world through charity and his songs like "heal the world" and "we are the world."

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

So? He also had secret rooms with beds, alarms on the stairs, (to know if someone is coming to his room) door knobs with boys kissing, dummies of little boys placed in the oddest positions, and even on his tomb it shows a boy giving a bIowjob to a man.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Let me find a pic of the tomb real quick.

4 months ago
Bob:

that's not necessary, all I'm saying is Michael Jackson was arguably the greatest entertainer of all time who helped the world a lot, and we should respect that.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Yes, but MJ fans are defending him as a person.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

His music shouldn't be in this.

4 months ago
Bob:

really, dude ? a lot of old greek art looks "revealing"

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I'm not mentioning that. I am talking about on the right.

4 months ago
Bob:

and his music shouldn't be in this ? I see articles online that say "is it still ok to listen to michael jackson?" To say that his music isn't in this is completely ridiculous. That's all this smear job is about, to destroy MJ.

4 months ago
Bob:

I saw the engravings on the stone

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Yes, the one on the right is extremely strange.

4 months ago
Bob:

I think greek architecture and art is pretty inappropriate

4 months ago
Bob:

and weird

4 months ago
Bob:

but a lot of people like it

4 months ago
Bob:

it's sort of like a naked cupid

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

No, the way they were positioned is what troubles me

4 months ago
Bob:

i think old greek art is a pretty dumb point of accusation against MJ

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

The "kid" is fully clothed but the man isn't (which is fine, because it's that style of art) but the boy is kneeling in front of his penis and hugging his buttocks. Maybe this was just the way the artist who made it is like, but it is still very weird positioning.

4 months ago
Bob:

it's art

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I don't use this as evidence though

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

It's most likely art

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Like you stated

4 months ago
Bob:

it's not a secret message MJ wanted to portray by telling everybody he was a pedophile

4 months ago
Bob:

anyway you should search up Mark Dice, he's a funny conservative YTer

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Exactly. A pedo wouldn't tell or show anyone the are a pedo

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

@Bob I like to watch Steven Crowder

4 months ago
Bob:

yeah I watched some of his change my mind videos

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Pretty good political views. Except I dislike the global warming videos

4 months ago
Bob:

what does he say

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Apparently humans, in his words, may take part in global warming. He doesn't believe we definitely are causing global warming in anyway. Just maybe we are.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I believe we do take part in global warming, but not entirely

4 months ago
Bob:

global warming has gotten to the point where it's completely ridiculous to believe in my opinion

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

The way some democrats put it as, is utterly ridiculous.

4 months ago
Bob:

the world is going to end in 12 years because of climate change ? ridiculous

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I don't see many republicans stating those claims.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

;)

4 months ago
Bob:

sad how republicans bow out to democrats

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

It is.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

All republicans who have opposing views of the democrats are "racist" and "sexist"

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Makes me politically incorrect.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

If you look at the quick history of democrats, they supported white supremacists.

4 months ago
Bob:

i think everybody knows that

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Democrats act like it's false ;)

4 months ago
Bob:

hillary supported robert byrd but they just say that was then and this is now

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I disagree.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Victimizing women and people of color (for no actual reason) is the same as no equal rights

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Same basic views

4 months ago
Bob:

disagree with what

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

How so?

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

How much more rights does a white man have over a black woman?

4 months ago
Bob:

no i mean what do you disagree with

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

oh

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I disagree with the fact it is in the past

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

It is still the same, but they changed it up a bit.

4 months ago
Bob:

only thing good about hillary is the memes

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I like this one 1552970548-5c8e81cf10b76c15cee11b00-ab0cb77e15d90cc57ba3f7d117b6846085198709618f3cb34d8dd9b72992697c.jpg

4 months ago
Bob:

she's not running again I think

4 months ago
Bob:

bernie is probably gonna win the nomination

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I hope. Is Bernie running?

4 months ago
Bob:

yeah he is

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I hate him and his views

4 months ago
Bob:

so many people blinded by socialism thinking they get stuff for free nothing is free, somebody has to pay for it

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I don't want higher taxes, so healthcare is 'free' for everyone

4 months ago
Bob:

yeah "free stuff" basically means higher taxes for everybody to pay for it

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

I shouldn't have to pay for someone who has diabetes as a tax payer.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

They gave themselves diabetes most of the time

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

And tax payers are expected to pay for it

4 months ago
Shadow:

1. The Supreme Court was right to affirm same sex couples the right to marry. Although I believe no church should be forced to hold a ceremony/ 2. Australia's gun ban worked due to the culture and population, which is highly different than U.S. 3. Global warming is natural, but it has been exacerbated by humans pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere and deforestation. Also, climate change such as ocean acidification is due to humans. 4. Socialism is terrible. Evidence: Venezuela

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

with Bernie's views

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

@Shadow Everything you said, I agree with.

4 months ago
Bob:

this is funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrz8ma-GskY

4 months ago
Shadow:

The likelihood of a socialist candidate winning the Democratic nomination is high. Top candidates are people like Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris, and Andrew Yang. I heard Beto is doing good on funding as well. They call themselves Democratic Socialists. This is stupid. It is still socialism. But this Washington Post video said the difference is because it's 'Democratic,' aka 'not totalitarian' and the people control it by voting for politicians (hah nice joke).

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

It's funny how Bill Clinton is known for sex scandals and Hillary never left him

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Seems kind of odd.

4 months ago
Shadow:

Their policies are terrible: -Universal basic Income (UBI) Throwing money at poor people, also known as people who are bad with money, is not a good idea. -Medicare for all The government is bad at everything. Give medical care to companies, let them compete across the nation, prices will go down and quality will go up. Capitalism > Socialism. -Free college Who is paying for this? Kind of like the first two. It will bankrupt this country and rob people of learning the value of $$$. Also, it perpetuates the idea that you need college to succeed *cough* Mark Zuckerberg. -Taxing the rich "In 2014, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income taxes paid than the bottom 90 percent combined." Aka, lets tax the people who pay more into the system. They'll like that and definitely stick around.

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Everyone will move to the UK or AUS if that is put in place (the rich tax payers)

4 months ago
Shadow:

Honestly the argument for UBI is pretty good, jobs are threatened by technology, innovation, automation, and AI, but capitalism is economic system that produces jobs. The gaming industry isn't one that was around a century ago. Capitalism which values innovation brought it out of the imagination of man and into reality. I wonder how many jobs that is...

4 months ago
Shadow:

Apparently it's 220,000 jobs and approx $30 billion in revenue as of 2015. Hard to believe that hasn't increased with Fortnite lol

4 months ago
BlankSpace:

Fortnitea and Minecraft most likely

4 months ago
Shadow:

Yeah the idea is that UBI replaces the loss of jobs, yet capitalism has proven to create more jobs, if you let it (*cough* regulations). Although it's obscure how this happens, so it's easy for politicians to say "I'll give you money."

4 months ago
Shadow:

And UBI feels moral too. Take money from the rich people and give it to the poor. But...it robs the rich of doing what they do best. Carving out growth for the country.

4 months ago
Shadow:

Anyway I am headed into a League match. I’ll let you guys get back to it.

4 months ago
Bob:

If you don't believe in an objective standard for what's right or wrong, all I have to do if I'm a democrat is say you're wrong because I said so. Since everything to you is subjective. To say there is no objective standard is ignorance

3 months ago
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