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TETSXPREME:

John H. Brown was an American abolitionist leader. Brown felt that violence was necessary to end American slavery, as years of speeches, sermons, petitions, and moral persuasion had failed. A religious man more than anything else, Brown believed he was raised up by God to strike the death blow to American slavery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown_(abolitionist)

Hoodmemes:

was he a hero or a terrorist?

TETSXPREME:

Well if someone saves people and wanted to end Slavery What do you think?

Honda:

well going off of what Tet said he was an American leader who wanted to end slavery. so what do you think that would make him?

Hoodmemes:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @TETSXPREME Well if someone saves people and wanted to end Slavery What do you think? \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) but he killed innocent people with jobs by trying to do that

TETSXPREME:

Well It was for a good cause

TETSXPREME:

Thats like the army

Hoodmemes:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @TETSXPREME Well It was for a good cause \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) he still killed those ppl

Honda:

TETSXPREME:

But he did all that stuff to safe slaves

TETSXPREME:

He was charged with treason, murder, and conspiring with slaves to rebel. He was convicted on November 2 and sentenced to death

Hoodmemes:

*sides

Hoodmemes:

This is all for a debating lesson to be honest, I need opinions and facts for both sides- I just wanna know what I can use to defend my opinion

miyadauglyrat:

For abolitionists and antislavery activists, black and white, Brown emerged as a hero, a martyr, and ultimately, a harbinger of the end of slavery. Most Northern whites, especially those not committed to abolition, were aghast at the violence of his action. Yet there was also widespread support for him in the region. (from google btw)

TETSXPREME:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes This is all for a debating lesson to be honest, I need opinions and facts for both side- I just wanna know what I can use to defend my opinion \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) "He was charged with treason, murder, and conspiring with slaves to rebel. He was convicted on November 2 and sentenced to death" He may be known as a bad guy to some people Mostly the Racist the people But if you add it all up He is clearly A hero

Hoodmemes:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @TETSXPREME \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes This is all for a debating lesson to be honest, I need opinions and facts for both side- I just wanna know what I can use to defend my opinion \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) "He was charged with treason, murder, and conspiring with slaves to rebel. He was convicted on November 2 and sentenced to death" He may be known as a bad guy to some people Mostly the Racist the people But if you add it all up He is clearly A hero \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) But how could they have known his plan in general? He killed some that didn't know anything of his plan,he raided a government warehouse with weapons used for the war.Yes he was doing all this for a good cause but was violence really the answer? Couldn't he have approached the problem better? Killing innocent people to free those in slavery isn't really that justifiable.

Hoodmemes:

Its hard to plan my side of this debate,and I got more research to do before spring break ends

TETSXPREME:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @TETSXPREME \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes This is all for a debating lesson to be honest, I need opinions and facts for both side- I just wanna know what I can use to defend my opinion \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) "He was charged with treason, murder, and conspiring with slaves to rebel. He was convicted on November 2 and sentenced to death" He may be known as a bad guy to some people Mostly the Racist the people But if you add it all up He is clearly A hero \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) But how could they have known his plan in general? He killed some that didn't know anything of his plan,he raided a government warehouse with weapons used for the war.Yes he was doing all this for a good cause but was violence really the answer? Couldn't he have approached the problem better? Killing innocent people to free those in slavery isn't really that justifiable. \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) Some things you cant do without violence and plus he was risky his own life for other people. So... i would say it was really nothing for himself

Hoodmemes:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @TETSXPREME \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @TETSXPREME \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes This is all for a debating lesson to be honest, I need opinions and facts for both side- I just wanna know what I can use to defend my opinion \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) "He was charged with treason, murder, and conspiring with slaves to rebel. He was convicted on November 2 and sentenced to death" He may be known as a bad guy to some people Mostly the Racist the people But if you add it all up He is clearly A hero \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) But how could they have known his plan in general? He killed some that didn't know anything of his plan,he raided a government warehouse with weapons used for the war.Yes he was doing all this for a good cause but was violence really the answer? Couldn't he have approached the problem better? Killing innocent people to free those in slavery isn't really that justifiable. \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) Some things you cant do without violence and plus he was risky his own life for other people. So... i would say it was really nothing for himself \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) This seemingly true when you look at it.But was risking innocent people that had a job to protect the warehouse filled with weapons right? What does killing innocent people to free innocent people being killed ok? You can't use the same vicious method to end another tragic situation.That's not how it works,he could have peacefully protested in America to get his point across.He even states he was the (Prodigy Of God) in the bible does it not state "Tha'll Shall Not Kill", he went against his own rules in the entire process.

Shayla:

I'm sure a peaceful protest wouldn't have gotten the job done :/

Hoodmemes:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Shayla I'm sure a peaceful protest wouldn't have gotten the job done :/ \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) But what would violence have done? You kill innocent people to free those who are innocent. Does that even make sense? That's like "Using Fire To Put Out A Fire".It would make no valid sense.

TETSXPREME:

Ok so if someone was gonna kill you would you try to fight back? Just a example o;

TETSXPREME:

orrr you would do anything to dont let him kill you even if its worth killing him

TETSXPREME:

And when the bible says do not kill I'm pretty sure it means more than just what it says

Hoodmemes:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @TETSXPREME Ok so if someone was gonna kill you would you try to fight back? Just a example o; \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) Ofc i would,but he was the one that started it all right? Him and his Five sons were breaking in, entering,and stealing.He fired out of fear,was it not the guard's right to fire back to save their lives? Its plain and simple as I can see,he was the wrong doer here

Hoodmemes:

I truly wanted to defend him as hero,its too hard defending him as the bad guy in all this. :l

TETSXPREME:

Well some things you cannot just accept and just let it happens alone, and this was one of those things. The government wasn't gonna listen to him if he just asked nicely so he had to take it into his own hands

TETSXPREME:

If you judge everything for all the bad they did while being the Hero then you really cant make a disc

Hoodmemes:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @TETSXPREME Well some things you cannot just accept and just let it happens alone, and this was one of those things. The government wasn't gonna listen to him if he just asked nicely so he had to take it into his own hands \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) Taking What into his own had? The blood of the innocent men he killed? There were many other ways he could have approached the problem without violence. He chose to kill those who he thought stood in his way.

TETSXPREME:

decision*

TETSXPREME:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @TETSXPREME Well some things you cannot just accept and just let it happens alone, and this was one of those things. The government wasn't gonna listen to him if he just asked nicely so he had to take it into his own hands \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) Taking What into his own had? The blood of the innocent men he killed? There were many other ways he could have approached the problem without violence. He chose to kill those who he thought stood in his way. \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) Like what other ways could he have done?

Hoodmemes:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @TETSXPREME \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @TETSXPREME Well some things you cannot just accept and just let it happens alone, and this was one of those things. The government wasn't gonna listen to him if he just asked nicely so he had to take it into his own hands \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) Taking What into his own had? The blood of the innocent men he killed? There were many other ways he could have approached the problem without violence. He chose to kill those who he thought stood in his way. \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) Like what other ways could he have done? \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) Peace Protesting in South America,he killed soldiers who knew nothing of his plan.

Shayla:

Violence would've made it so everyone was aware that they meant business and weren't going to sit around and take any more from the racists, he knew the risks and ended up paying the price to help bring an end to slavery :/

TETSXPREME:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @TETSXPREME \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @TETSXPREME Well some things you cannot just accept and just let it happens alone, and this was one of those things. The government wasn't gonna listen to him if he just asked nicely so he had to take it into his own hands \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) Taking What into his own had? The blood of the innocent men he killed? There were many other ways he could have approached the problem without violence. He chose to kill those who he thought stood in his way. \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) Like what other ways could he have done? \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) Peace Protesting in South America,he killed soldiers who knew nothing of his plan. \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) Well if he kept doing that he could prolly die in the process and then people wouldn't have took him seriously

Hoodmemes:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Shayla Violence would've made it so everyone was aware that they meant business and weren't going to sit around and take any more from the racists, he knew the risks and ended up paying the price to help bring an end to slavery :/ \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) In the end he didn't succeed take right now for an example. Some of us black people thought violence was an answer. Some of a different race now thinks of some of us as "Menaces to Society" . Either way, you put it he killed innocent people in the process you can't justify that he was right in all of the process.He could have chosen different methods to express himself to the people of the south, these non-violent ways would have still encouraged others to take a stand but in a peaceful way.

TETSXPREME:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Shayla Violence would've made it so everyone was aware that they meant business and weren't going to sit around and take any more from the racists, he knew the risks and ended up paying the price to help bring an end to slavery :/ \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) In the end he didn't succeed take right now for an example. Some of us black people thought violence was an answer. Some of a different race now thinks of some of us as "Menaces to Society" . Either way, you put it he killed innocent people in the process you can't justify that he was right in all of the process.He could have chosen different methods to express himself to the people of the south, these non-violent ways would have still encouraged others to take a stand but in a peaceful way. \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) But doing it peaceful will take even more time and more people will get killed in the process. More then how much Mr.Brown killed e.e

Hoodmemes:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @TETSXPREME \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @TETSXPREME \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @TETSXPREME Well some things you cannot just accept and just let it happens alone, and this was one of those things. The government wasn't gonna listen to him if he just asked nicely so he had to take it into his own hands \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) Taking What into his own had? The blood of the innocent men he killed? There were many other ways he could have approached the problem without violence. He chose to kill those who he thought stood in his way. \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) Like what other ways could he have done? \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) Peace Protesting in South America,he killed soldiers who knew nothing of his plan. \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) Well if he kept doing that he could prolly die in the process and then people wouldn't have took him seriously \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) Isn't to all about "Getting Your message across" to those who want to hear you? Killing people didn't solve practically anything in the end-he was still executed-his sons were dead-What did he really get out of everything?

Shayla:

Before his execution, he handed his guard a slip of paper that read, “I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood.” It was a prophetic statement. Although the raid failed, it inflamed sectional tensions and raised the stakes for the 1860 presidential election. Brown’s raid helped make any further accommodation between North and South nearly impossible and thus became an important impetus of the Civil War. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/john-browns-raid-on-harpers-ferry

Hoodmemes:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @TETSXPREME \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Shayla Violence would've made it so everyone was aware that they meant business and weren't going to sit around and take any more from the racists, he knew the risks and ended up paying the price to help bring an end to slavery :/ \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) In the end he didn't succeed take right now for an example. Some of us black people thought violence was an answer. Some of a different race now thinks of some of us as "Menaces to Society" . Either way, you put it he killed innocent people in the process you can't justify that he was right in all of the process.He could have chosen different methods to express himself to the people of the south, these non-violent ways would have still encouraged others to take a stand but in a peaceful way. \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) But doing it peaceful will take even more time and more people will get killed in the process. More then how much Mr.Brown killed e.e \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) How can u say it would be more? Ofc there was a 50% chance that more people that chose to peacefully protested along-side brown maybe would have died,or maybe they wouldn't have? Maybe he could have convinced those who had the same opinion as him to come out of the shadows and take a stand with him.He could have grouped up enough people to make a change legally? Come to some type of agreement with those of higher power?

Shayla:

He believed that that violence was the only way to get his point across, I'm sure if there was a way for him to have been taken seriously without violence he would've used that method

Hoodmemes:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Shayla He believed that that violence was the only way to get his point across, I'm sure if there was a way for him to have been taken seriously without violence he would've used that method \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) But did he try to? No. Brown did not try any other method before resulting to violence.

TETSXPREME:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @TETSXPREME \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hoodmemes \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Shayla Violence would've made it so everyone was aware that they meant business and weren't going to sit around and take any more from the racists, he knew the risks and ended up paying the price to help bring an end to slavery :/ \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) In the end he didn't succeed take right now for an example. Some of us black people thought violence was an answer. Some of a different race now thinks of some of us as "Menaces to Society" . Either way, you put it he killed innocent people in the process you can't justify that he was right in all of the process.He could have chosen different methods to express himself to the people of the south, these non-violent ways would have still encouraged others to take a stand but in a peaceful way. \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) But doing it peaceful will take even more time and more people will get killed in the process. More then how much Mr.Brown killed e.e \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) How can u say it would be more? Ofc there was a 50% chance that more people that chose to peacefully protested along-side brown maybe would have died,or maybe they wouldn't have? Maybe he could have convinced those who had the same opinion as him to come out of the shadows and take a stand with him.He could have grouped up enough people to make a change legally? Come to some type of agreement with those of higher power? \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) If that didn't happen that way who knows what would've happened He prolly would have made no progress on nothing and he would've died as just some random dude

Hoodmemes:

I'm out of ideas to go against ur opinion.

200082741:

Then just go with it lol

TETSXPREME:

C:: so he's the hero

Shayla:

So do you have an idea of how you're going to go through with your assignment?

Shayla:

Yes he was a Hero 😌

Hoodmemes:

I can't I have one certain opinion to defend in the debate. And it only that he's a terrorist,so it pretty hard to go against a guy that u agree with.I personally think he was a hero yes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Shayla:

ah okay

Hoodmemes:

Thanks everybody,this will be good for me to use!

TETSXPREME:

No Problemo C:

Shayla:

Ofc

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