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OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

is this absolutely convergent or conditionally or divergent?

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

\[\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-1)^{n}\times e ^{\frac{ 1 }{ n }}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Divergent...

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

yes that's the answer given, but i got conditionally throughout the process can u go thru the steps with me?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well, for some large \(n\), \(e^{1/n}\) is sufficiently close to \(1\) so that we can compare this series to the divergent series:\[\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}(-1)^n\]The larger the \(n\), the closer your series is to this series. Therefore your series diverges. Do you understand why \(\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}(-1)^n\) diverges?

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

but, i thought n=1 under the sigma sign...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

No, tiffany they are telling right here, it is diverges

OpenStudy (anonymous):

we have abs(\[(-1)^{n}\times e ^{1/n}\]) -> 1 when \[n \rightarrow \infty\] but if consider \[a_{n}\] = \[(-1)^{n}\times e ^{1/n}\] , then |\[a_{2n}\] - \[a_{2n+1}\]| > 1 with every n > some N it is diverges

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

yeah, what i meant was i know it is divergent, but when i go thru the steps i got conditionally convergence

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

don't understand this part an = (−1)n×e1/n , then | a2n - a2n+1 | > 1 with every n > some N it is diverges

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i mean, for example, let N = 1000000, then for every n > N, |a_2n - a_(2n+1)| > 1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Jeanlouie I haven't this type calc for a while since High School, in order for this to be diverges it means the n is closer to 1 or I am lost here?

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

for the ratio test if the lim is <1 then the series converges, if lim >1 or=infinity the series diverges, if lim=1 inconclusive

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

i know that testing the series for absolutely convergent or conditionally or divergent is to try the ratio test with absolute value first then the one without.

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

but when i calculate the one with absolute value the limit =1 so inconclusive; when i test the series for the ratio test without absolute value the limit =-1, so it's convergent; that's how i get conditionally convergent.

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

although i know i'm wrong, cause the answer is divergent:(

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what is the value {1} of this when testing ratio =

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

when testing ratio without the absolute value i got -1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

How does the value change to -1 I am lost there?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

1 is only an example here, 0.5 or any other \[\epsilon < -2\] is OK, too. when \[n \rightarrow \infty \], \[a_{2n} \rightarrow 1\] and \[a_{2n+1}\rightarrow -1\] ps:sr for my poor English

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ϵ< 2, sorry

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

\[\rho = \lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} \frac{ (-1)^{n+1} \times e ^{\frac{ 1 }{ n }}}{ ((-1)^{n})\times e ^{\frac{ 1 }{ n }}\ }\]

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

ln both top and bottom

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah, ρ = -1, you got it

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

becomes:\[\lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} -\frac{ \frac{ 1 }{ n+1} }{ \frac{ 1 }{ n } } \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no, top or bottom may be negative, we can't use ln here.

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

(the limit is still there but i'm just lazy: then: -n/(n+1) divide top and bottom with n: -1/(1+1/n) substitute infinity: -1/(1+0) =-1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Tiffany I think you have the right answer.

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

i do? but this is like conditionally ; yet the modal answer is divergent...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Tiffany 1+1n is not -1 it is 2n

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

model, sry

OpenStudy (anonymous):

2/n not -1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you see where this is?

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

in -1/(1+1/n), if i substitute n as infinity, then 1/infinity is 0, so -1/(1+0)=-1/1

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

is this correct?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

when sub in n, you still have 1+1 which is 2.

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

where does the 1+1 com from?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so if we look at this -1(1+1/n) would give you add the two ones which would 2/n times that by -1 and what is the answer?

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

so sorry, it should be -1/(1+(1/n)) not -1/(1+1/n)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

-1/1=-1times +1 =-1/n

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

\[\lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty}\frac{ -1 }{ 1+\frac{ 1 }{ n } }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes..

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

so... \[\lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} \frac{ -1 }{ 1+\frac{ 1 }{ n } }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Tiffany can the bottom be 0? or am I missing something here?

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

the bottom can't be zero, what i did is just divide top and bottom with n

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

and then: \[\frac{ -1 }{ 1+\frac{ 1 }{ \infty } }\]

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

and since \[\frac{ 1 }{ \infty }=0\],

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

\[\frac{ -1 }{ 1+0 }=-1\]

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

and i did this like 5 times and still don't get why it's divergent...

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

T.T

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what happens if we -1/1+0=-1 now what if simply the bottom to -1/1=-1 than what?

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

if it's -1 then the series is convergent, not divergent.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes..

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

well, the model answer IS divergent.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

only if stays at one, -1=-1 if you add one you get 0

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

and that's what frustrates me the most.

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

ok...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so I am taking the answer can't be 0 for the final answer?

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

no, it's not that it can't be 0, just that how do u suddenly +1 after the limit?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Because the +1 falls within the limit.

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

oh, ok, thx, i think i get it now. :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

welcome ...

OpenStudy (tiffanymak1996):

sry for bothering you so long...

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