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OpenStudy (anonymous):

solve

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i have doubt that statement is incorrect, can any body guide me, plse friends

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i don't get anything

OpenStudy (anonymous):

0,4

OpenStudy (anonymous):

kk.i got it but one thing there are 2 asympotes , so there will be two equations formed

OpenStudy (anonymous):

first one you have solved

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i mean to say that you have solved this part Since the asymptote is y = 1/2 x and y =( b/a) x is the equation of an asymptote, that means that b = 1 and a = 2 also i the question, there is mention, the asymptote is y =- 1/2 x where this part has gone

OpenStudy (amistre64):

b is a distance, and a is a distance .... those distances are not 1 and 2 the ratio of b to a is 1:2

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

@msingh asymptotes are \[\LARGE y = \pm \frac{ b }{a }x\] so the negative one isn't needed to find a and b.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

k

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thank you so much friends @agent0smith and @amistre64

OpenStudy (amistre64):

your welcome, but you do understand that \(b\ne1,a\ne2\) right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

OpenStudy (amistre64):

then can you tell me what b and a are equal to?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

b=1 and a=2

OpenStudy (amistre64):

no

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but mertsj said and has already proved

OpenStudy (amistre64):

b is a distance, a specific value; it measure the distance from the center to a vertex. the center is at (0,0) and a vertex is at (0,2) what is the distance between those points?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the ratio of b to a is\[\frac{b}{a}=\frac12\] sicne the distance from center to vertex is "2", then b=2 \[\frac{2}{a}=\frac12\]therefore a = 4

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what mertsj has done, is that way not correct

OpenStudy (amistre64):

|dw:1365021838848:dw| hmmm, i could be off :) been a long day

OpenStudy (amistre64):

a hyperbola is an inverted ellipse, so there is a characteristic ellipse that can be associated with it that has the same b a values

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the y-x setup thru me :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

for starters, we know that when x=0, y=2, so (y/2)^2 becomes (2/2)^2 = 1

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[(\frac y2)^2-(\frac x4)^2=1\] has asymptotes of \[y=\pm\frac{1}{2}x\] http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28y%2F2%29%5E2-%28x%2F4%29%5E2+%3D+1

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[(\frac y1)^2-(\frac x2)^2=1\] has the same asymptotes, but its vertexs are at 1 and -1

OpenStudy (amistre64):

also to note, in the asymptote equation; b/a is a slope defined usually as y/x so b has to associate with y in this case.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

..... odd, ive given ample "other" sources to back the validity of my idea. the hyperbola equation\[\frac{y^2}{1^2}-\frac{x^2}{2^2}=1\]when x=0 has verts \[\frac{y^2}{1^2}-\frac{0^2}{2^2}=1\] \[\frac{y^2}{1^2}=1\](0,1) and (0,-1) which are not the given verts in the problem ....., yet I have used the 1 and 2 from the asymptote

OpenStudy (amistre64):

now \[\frac{y^2}{2^2}-\frac{x^2}{1^2}=1\]does have verts at (0,-2) and (0,2) but its asymptotes are y = +-2x

OpenStudy (amistre64):

given that \[slope:\frac ba~relates~to~\frac yx\]b is under y a is under x a = 1

OpenStudy (amistre64):

b=2, a=1 that is

OpenStudy (amistre64):

thats misleading tho ....

OpenStudy (amistre64):

"for hyperbolas opening up/down, the asymptotes are: \(\Large y = \frac abx\)" so they corrected the matter

OpenStudy (amistre64):

its given that\[asymp:y=\frac bax\] divide both sides by x \[\frac yx=\frac ba \]in this problem

OpenStudy (amistre64):

..... i see what i might be overlooking

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the asymptotes of\[\frac{y^2}{2^2}-\frac{x^2}{1^2}=1\\~\\y=\pm2x\] http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28y%2F2%29%5E2-%28x%2F1%29%5E2+%3D+1 just by convention of using y/x as slopes regardless of a and b

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\frac{y^2}{2^2}-\frac{x^2}{1^2}=1\] \[\frac{y^2}{2^2}=x^2+1\] \[y^2=(2x)^2+4\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\frac{y^2}{2^2}-\frac{x^2}{4^2}=1\] \[\frac{y^2}{2^2}=(\frac{x}{4})^2+1\] \[y^2=(\frac{2}{4}x)^2+4\] \[y^2=(\frac{1}{2}x)^2+4\] this has a slope of 1/2

OpenStudy (amistre64):

i dont mind being wrong :) i live in error most of the time .... but im sure of this issue here

OpenStudy (amistre64):

lol, now i just feel like your saying that to shut me up ;)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so, vat's an answer -exact

OpenStudy (anonymous):

centre is (0,0) a= 4 b=2 that 's it

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

@amistre64 and @msingh a is usually taken as the distance from the center to the vertices. So a=2 here. Then b=4, from the asymptote equation (which i might've given incorrectly earlier, should be y = (a/b) x) see here: http://www.mathwarehouse.com/hyperbola/images/picture-of-hyperbola-vertical-transverse.gif

OpenStudy (amistre64):

what really bites about all this, is that a and b are just generic place holders for constructing the hyperbola. The equation for the hyperB was (y/2)^2 - (x/4)^2 = 1 regardless of what value we wanted to call a or b ..... but yes, since the "proper?" construct of an up and down has asymptotes as: a/b , which then relates to 1/2 .... then a/b = 2/4 is the "solution" :/

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Yes, it doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is the value under the positive term (x or y) is the distance from the center to the vertex (squared).

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