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OpenStudy (anonymous):

What are your opinions on Artificial Organs?? Are you for or against the invention??

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@jim_thompson5910 @e.cociuba @EvonHowell @Mertsj

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

there's nothing wrong with them since they help people live better and healthier lives

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

without the need of a transplant and waiting for the transplant (ie you have to wait for someone else to die or give up the organ in need)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thxs:D @e.cociuba @jim_thompson5910 I agree with both of you:)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

and you don't have to worry about rejection of the artificial organ (I think?) with many transplants, the new organ is often attacked by the immune system because it's a foreign object, which means the immune system has to be suppressed however, I don't think the artificial organ is attacked, but not 100% sure

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

but the cool thing about artificial organs is that they can be mass produced and distributed on top of that, you can produce organs that are potentially better than the real thing ex: lungs that can hold more oxygen or a heart that can pump more blood...this is debatable if we really want such things or not

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well, it depends. Sometimes the body wont accept it because there could be diseases or illnesses in the tissue that cause the whole procedure/organ to stop functioning. But yeah, depends on your immune system and your body. @jim_thompson5910

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah, i so agree @jim_thompson5910

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

i think in general, if the body encounters anything foreign, then the immune system will attack but something in the back of my mind wants me to exclude artificial organs, not sure why

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

could be wrong, idk, but I think the artificial organs don't have the biological markers that the real thing does...idk

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Mertsj @EvonHowell What are your opinions??

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Anyone??

OpenStudy (wach):

Actually,

OpenStudy (frostbite):

I think a part of the artificial organs are"how they should be made?" Should we genetically modify a single individual as "donor" knowing that at some point this individual most die in order to help another? Or should we use the fact that some cells have pluripotency (steam cells) and from their try to use biotechnology?

OpenStudy (frostbite):

This give rise to a ethical discussion.

OpenStudy (frostbite):

from there*

OpenStudy (wach):

I support it! Why, though? - On every cell, there's a tag called an MCH marker, which is basically used to differentiate between body and immune cells within a system. Specifically, when a cell becomes 'infected' with a virus, the expression of virus genes change the MCH marker so that it is no longer recognized as part of the body - instead, it is foreign. T cells go around the body and attack these cells, which left untreated would infect more body cells. The point is, that in organ transplants, tissues from both the donor and the receiver react if the molecules aren't really compatible. (I hope this makes sense, I tried to cut down the explanation). Anyways, this can result in failure, and this makes organ donation somewhat dangerous. Ideally, organs could be grown in the lab using nucleotides from the receiving body. - Organ donation from the dead may not be yieldy, since organs requite very exact environments and there is limited time for organs to be transplanted. (More about this in Freakonomics) Also, there are far more people who require organs than people willing to give them. One of my friends had to wait a year for a transplant even though she was in dire need, having a rare heart disorder. High demand.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i agree @Frostbite @wach

OpenStudy (anonymous):

THXS:D @wach @Frostbite

OpenStudy (frostbite):

But what is more interesting is to hear your thoughts about it :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I respect the religious views of others, however i find it ridiculous for people's theories to determine life or death. I believe that Artificial Organs can prolong a persons life and one day those who wait months for a transplant, will only have to wait a couple weeks or even days. Statistics and scientists have proven that Artificial organs can become the FUTURE. I think that the invention of Artificial Organs is a great one because, even through all the cons or risks, one day it could all be worth the surgery. I couldn't live with being in pain, so if i had cardiac or lung cancer, an artificial heart or lungs could save my life and the pain I would have to endure. @Frostbite

OpenStudy (frostbite):

Well spoken.

OpenStudy (wach):

Artificial organs are already a thing, just fyi.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thank You, Sir. @Frostbite

OpenStudy (frostbite):

Non-bioartificial ones if I remember correct? @wach

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes, they are but some, like the heart and the lungs have to be mechanical powered... But some like the windpipe or the ear are not, they are 100% artificial, made from those stem cells... @wach

OpenStudy (frostbite):

However I'm very behind the lattes articles in medical science and things go extremely fast nowadays.

OpenStudy (dean.shyy):

Take a look at these: http://is.gd/30ogXh & http://is.gd/iVm00O

OpenStudy (frostbite):

2007 is quite old in this subject...

OpenStudy (wach):

Correct. Though we can already 'grow' organs and also stimulate cellular division in pre-existing cells to then use as a replacement. For example, stimulate division in skin cells and then regraft to the body. In terms of mech-based stuff, scientists recently created a prosthetic that links directly to the brain that senses its electromagnetic (I believe) patterns and 'controls' a mechanical limb that way.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

lol its true, @Frostbite but thxs @Dean.Shyy

OpenStudy (wach):

Also, adult somatic cells can be 'forced' into a stem-cell role. From what I have absorbed, a lot of research and progress in this area of biotech has been staunched because of controversey. But scientists can now turn adult somatic cells into iPs or induced pluripotent stem cells .. really cool. :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

That is really cool... Where did you find that information?? @wach

OpenStudy (wach):

http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/tech/stemcells/ips/ and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18600223 wikipedia is usually trustworthy also.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I have to disagree, Wikipedia is not a very great site. False information... @wach

OpenStudy (wach):

Though there can be some mistakes, it's important that the site is open for editing - the world quickly changes, knowledge is fluid, and without such .. permeability, the site would soon turn stagnant. Information is beautiful in that way, no? Additionally, all information should be directly cited and thus accountable, and edits are checked within minutes if not seconds. Basically : look for citations to be safe. :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yea, that's true but how could you do your citing if you do use Wikipedia?? You couldn't site Wikipedia, because it's not their information, but the sites that they cited. So then you would have to go through the millions of citations to find what you really want to take out of the whole article. So i don't think that it's a very trustworthy site, even though, yea, it has great info, but it does not belong to that website... @wach

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I guess what wach is saying is that wikipedia is a great starting off point to find more info

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

sure you can't directly cite wikipedia since most teachers won't like that (some fail students for citing wikipedia directly), but you can use sources found on the wikipedia article pages you probably wouldn't have found otherwise

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

However, consider this: what if a respected doctor only wrote an article on wikipedia and no place else? I guess it's kind of a remote chance, but it's possible.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So do you think it's worth it, to fail your class or that paper?? I personally dont...

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

no I'm saying use the sources used on the article page, just don't directly cite the wiki article itself

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what's ironic is that in college I've heard teachers say don't use wikipedia, but I've seen many professors turn to it many times so it depends on which professor you have really

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I've had many incidents where what i was reading on Wikipedia and it would give false information. But whats ironic is it was info that i already knew was true, but very false on Wikipedia... Not worth my time...

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

well I'm sure it's been corrected at some point

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Im pretty sure nobody would go through that HUGE lists of cited crap... lol @Frostbite

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

that's the beauty of peer review

OpenStudy (wach):

I think Wikipedia is great as a sort of reference point, but no, I would not directly cite it as a source when writing a paper. But often Wikipedia is able to direct me to direct sources - for example, I linked NCBI earlier. NCBI has literally MILLIONS of articles and though it is an awesome, reliable, national source, I'm not going to sift through all of the related papers when I'm researching. It's more convenient to seek out sources like these through a medium.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Most times it's not, u would have to have an account to edit it... @jim_thompson5910

OpenStudy (anonymous):

lol @Frostbite

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yeah but it's free to sign up, so it's not a major hurdle

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

and I think people with expertise in their field have more weight, not sure though

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Right, peer review is my best friend. lol

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

that's how all knowledge is discovered, developed, stored, transferred, etc is through peer review

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

no one person knows everything or holds all knowledge

OpenStudy (wach):

Also, sorry if you've had a bad experience, but I can assure you that almost everything is peer-reviewed by administration on Wikipedia. More 'weight' is given to editors with well-sourced and correct information, and people who anonomously post incorrect statements have their IP addressed recorded for later use.

OpenStudy (wach):

Wikipedia is good for reference; like quickly looking up details on a country, for example. Obviously, if you depend on it completely to write a paper that should have a variety of sources, you're going to get burned, but that should apply to any source.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I guess ill just stick with not using or citing Wiki, better for me and my assignments :D

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So are we done here?? @jim_thompson5910 @wach @Frostbite LOL

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yeah we're good, just don't directly cite wikipedia but you can use sources that wikipedia uses

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

don't have to, but nothing wrong with it

OpenStudy (wach):

Does anyone know how to turn off tag notifications? And yes, this is tedious.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Then stop r u keep relying?? lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok so now we're done?? LOl

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