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4√8-√128+48+3√18
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
What do you get when you simplify \[\large 4\sqrt{8}\]
OpenStudy (anonymous):
2 √2√4?
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
what is the square root of 4
OpenStudy (anonymous):
2
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
actually it should be
\[\large 4\sqrt{8} = 4\sqrt{4*2}\]
\[\large 4\sqrt{8} = 4\sqrt{4}*\sqrt{2}\]
\[\large 4\sqrt{8} = 4*2*\sqrt{2}\]
\[\large 4\sqrt{8} = 8\sqrt{2}\]
Hopefully all that makes sense
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
you would use this idea to simplify the other expressions
OpenStudy (anonymous):
still not quite understanding it.
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
where are you stuck
OpenStudy (anonymous):
i don't know how to start it, and i don't know the steps
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
do you see how I simplified \[\large 4\sqrt{8} \]
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
yes
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
you would apply the same to the other pieces
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
tell me what you get when you simplify \[\large \sqrt{128} \]
OpenStudy (anonymous):
8√16?
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
that's incorrect
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
hint: 128 = 64*2
OpenStudy (anonymous):
2√8*8
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
\[\large \sqrt{128} = \sqrt{64*2}\]
keep going
OpenStudy (anonymous):
what do i do with the 64?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
do i break it in half?
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
then you use the idea that sqrt(x*y) = sqrt(x) * sqrt(y)
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
so
\[\large \sqrt{128} = \sqrt{64*2}\]
\[\large \sqrt{128} = \sqrt{64}*\sqrt{2}\]
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
then what is the square root of 64?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
8
OpenStudy (anonymous):
8*8√2
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
no
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
the square root of 64 is 8, but you won't be left with 8*8
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
ok point out where you're stuck
OpenStudy (anonymous):
i don't know why you seperate the square roots in the second step
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
because I'm using the rule
\[\large \sqrt{x*y} = \sqrt{x}*\sqrt{y}\]
where x and y are nonnegative real numbers
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
I'm using that rule to take advantage of the fact that the square root of 64 is 8
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ohh okay
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
so the next one; is it: 2√48 = 2√6√2
OpenStudy (anonymous):
2*6√2
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
list the perfect squares: 1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 36, 49, ...
which perfect square (less than 48) is a factor of 48?
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
what is the largest perfect square factor of 48
OpenStudy (anonymous):
4
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
is that the only one? is that the largest?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
16 *3
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so 2√16*3
OpenStudy (anonymous):
2=√16√3
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
square root of 16 is 4, so this means
\[\large 2\sqrt{48} = 2\sqrt{16*3}\]
\[\large 2\sqrt{48} = 2\sqrt{16}*\sqrt{3}\]
\[\large 2\sqrt{48} = 2*4*\sqrt{3}\]
\[\large 2\sqrt{48} = 8\sqrt{3}\]
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
okay i'm getting there
OpenStudy (anonymous):
sorry i just woke up and i needed to get my brain into it
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
now simplify \[\large 3\sqrt{18}\]
OpenStudy (anonymous):
3√9√9
3*3*3
OpenStudy (anonymous):
27?
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
18 is NOT 9*9
OpenStudy (anonymous):
oops thats 81
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
try again
OpenStudy (anonymous):
3 √3*6
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
is 3 a perfect square?
is 6 a perfect square?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
3*6√3
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
no you cannot do that
OpenStudy (anonymous):
no
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
use 18 = 9*2
OpenStudy (anonymous):
3√9*2
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
break up the root, then simplify the square root of 9
afterwards multiply
OpenStudy (anonymous):
3*3√2
OpenStudy (anonymous):
9√2
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
good
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
So this means
\[\large 4\sqrt{8} - \sqrt{128} + 2\sqrt{48} + 3\sqrt{18}\]
turns into
\[\large 8\sqrt{2} - 8\sqrt{2} + 8\sqrt{3} + 9\sqrt{2}\]
now combine like terms
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
do i combine the outside numbers?
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
yes but only for the like terms
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so only the √2's
OpenStudy (anonymous):
8√3 9√2
OpenStudy (anonymous):
should there be a sign in between?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
8√3+9√2
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
one sec
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
you are 100% correct, so
\[\large 4\sqrt{8} - \sqrt{128} + 2\sqrt{48} + 3\sqrt{18}\]
simplifies to
\[\large 8\sqrt{3} + 9\sqrt{2}\]
In other words
\[\large 4\sqrt{8} - \sqrt{128} + 2\sqrt{48} + 3\sqrt{18} = 8\sqrt{3} + 9\sqrt{2}\]
OpenStudy (anonymous):
holy cow!
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
what's wrong?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
this was a radical nightmare
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
well keep practicing and you'll get better
OpenStudy (anonymous):
But i'm glad you walked me through it, i needed to be able to visualize each step
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how do i give you a medal?
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by clicking the blue "best response" button
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
thanks
OpenStudy (anonymous):
thank you
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
you're welcome
OpenStudy (anonymous):
how do i distribute the square roots?
i.e. √7(√6-√10)
jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
you multiply the outer term by each of the inner terms and simplify
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jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):
you are using the distributive property in your first step