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OpenStudy (anonymous):

@phi

OpenStudy (phi):

did you solve the differential equation ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no

OpenStudy (phi):

does this make sense: \[ \frac{dT}{dt}= k(T-38) \\ \frac{dT}{(T-38)} = k \ dt \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh yeah i did that for number 4 also

OpenStudy (phi):

integrate both sides, what do you get ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (phi):

we only need C2 (it's arbitrary at this point) I would write it as \[ \ln(T-38) = k \ t + C \] make each side the exponent of e \[ e^{\ln(T-38) } = e^{ k \ t + C } \\ T-38 = A e^{k \ t} \] where e^C is arbitrary, so rename it A

OpenStudy (phi):

or \[ T = A e^{k\ t} +38 \] now we solve for A and k. at t=0 , T=75: \[ 75 = A e^0 +38 \] and e^0 is 1

OpenStudy (phi):

what do we get for A ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

A= 37

OpenStudy (phi):

now we have \[ T = 37 e^{k\ t} +38 \] now we use at t=30, T= 60 so \[ 60 = 37 e^{30k}+38 \]can you solve for k ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

22=37e^30k , what what is e?

OpenStudy (phi):

e is the base for natural logarithms 2.7318281828... now divide both sides by 37 \[ \frac{22}{27}= e^{30k} \] take the "natural log" of both sides. the natural log of e^x is x (the natural log "grabs" the exponent) \[ \ln\left( \frac{22}{27}\right) = \ln\left( e^{30k} \right) \\ \ln\left( \frac{22}{27}\right) = 30 k \]

OpenStudy (phi):

*that should be 37 not 27

OpenStudy (phi):

\[ \ln\left( \frac{22}{37}\right) = 30 k \\ k= \frac{1}{30} \ln\left( \frac{22}{37}\right) \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and then divide 30 to get k alone?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ohh got it!

OpenStudy (phi):

yes. we will need a calculator to figure out the exact number.

OpenStudy (phi):

you can type into the google search window ln(22/37)/30=

OpenStudy (phi):

once you get k, you have the complete equation and can answer parts 4 and 5 for part 4. set t=60 (I think that is the time they want) for part 5, set T= 55 and solve for t. to solve we will have to use ln

OpenStudy (phi):

\[ T = 37 e^{-0.017329\ t} +38 \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@DanJS i dont get what to do next here

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@DanJS

OpenStudy (danjs):

i just did this on the other thread i thought. lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah but i got everything you said, phi answered it, it just didnt give me the notification hahaha

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i just dont get what to do next to get my answer for 4 and 5

OpenStudy (danjs):

separable DE, then get T(t) = 38 + Ce^(kt) need to use points to get C and k

OpenStudy (anonymous):

cause he just went offline randomly

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i already got k, it is 1/30ln(22/37)

OpenStudy (danjs):

An additional 30 minutes.... what time would that be ?

OpenStudy (danjs):

\[T(t) = 38 + 37e ^{-.017329*t}\] I just copied down the constants from above, assuming they are right

OpenStudy (danjs):

So they gave you out to T(30) = 60 An ADDITIONAL 30 minutes would be T(60) = ....

OpenStudy (danjs):

These are the 2 easy questions, you already found the solution to the differential equation. lol

OpenStudy (danjs):

for 5) How long to cool to 55? T(t) = 55 find t

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wait what is number 4? im so lost

OpenStudy (anonymous):

from now on im only putting up one question haha

OpenStudy (danjs):

For 4, they want you to just add 30 minutes on to the last time point they gave you T(30) = 60 30 more minutes is T(60) = 38 + 37e^(-0.017392*60)

OpenStudy (danjs):

Just evaluate T(60) for number 4

OpenStudy (danjs):

For 5) They tell you the temp is 55 and want to know the time, solve for t here T(t) = 55 = 38 + 37e^(-0.017392t)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

51 degrees for number 4?

OpenStudy (danjs):

umm, let me see

OpenStudy (danjs):

yeah , i got about 51 too

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yay(:

OpenStudy (danjs):

here is the graph for this problem function

OpenStudy (danjs):

OpenStudy (danjs):

Notice T(0) = 75, T(60) = 51.03 It approaches 38 degrees as time goes on to infinity

OpenStudy (danjs):

That is temperature on the Y axis, and Time on the X axis

OpenStudy (anonymous):

omg theres someone going on with openstudy, the lag is crzy

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay so i got number 4, that is finally done(: now onto number 5, what is the next step??

OpenStudy (danjs):

For 5) They tell you the temp is 55 and want to know the time, solve for t here T(t) = 55 = 38 + 37e^(-0.017392t)

OpenStudy (danjs):

Here is the graph, with a horizontal line at y=55 degrees, it intersects the curve at time 44.72 minutes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

17=37e^(-.017392t) 17/37=e^(-.017392t)

OpenStudy (danjs):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

im stuck

OpenStudy (danjs):

That is just a plot of the T(t) function, the red curve is the temperature at time t

OpenStudy (danjs):

just drew a line at y = 55 degrees, the corresponding time is x = 44.72 minutes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so my answe is 44.72 minutes and thats it?

OpenStudy (danjs):

yes

OpenStudy (danjs):

sorry this site is a piece of crap server

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thank you!!

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