@phi
did you solve the differential equation ?
no
does this make sense: \[ \frac{dT}{dt}= k(T-38) \\ \frac{dT}{(T-38)} = k \ dt \]
oh yeah i did that for number 4 also
integrate both sides, what do you get ?
we only need C2 (it's arbitrary at this point) I would write it as \[ \ln(T-38) = k \ t + C \] make each side the exponent of e \[ e^{\ln(T-38) } = e^{ k \ t + C } \\ T-38 = A e^{k \ t} \] where e^C is arbitrary, so rename it A
or \[ T = A e^{k\ t} +38 \] now we solve for A and k. at t=0 , T=75: \[ 75 = A e^0 +38 \] and e^0 is 1
what do we get for A ?
A= 37
now we have \[ T = 37 e^{k\ t} +38 \] now we use at t=30, T= 60 so \[ 60 = 37 e^{30k}+38 \]can you solve for k ?
22=37e^30k , what what is e?
e is the base for natural logarithms 2.7318281828... now divide both sides by 37 \[ \frac{22}{27}= e^{30k} \] take the "natural log" of both sides. the natural log of e^x is x (the natural log "grabs" the exponent) \[ \ln\left( \frac{22}{27}\right) = \ln\left( e^{30k} \right) \\ \ln\left( \frac{22}{27}\right) = 30 k \]
*that should be 37 not 27
\[ \ln\left( \frac{22}{37}\right) = 30 k \\ k= \frac{1}{30} \ln\left( \frac{22}{37}\right) \]
and then divide 30 to get k alone?
ohh got it!
yes. we will need a calculator to figure out the exact number.
you can type into the google search window ln(22/37)/30=
once you get k, you have the complete equation and can answer parts 4 and 5 for part 4. set t=60 (I think that is the time they want) for part 5, set T= 55 and solve for t. to solve we will have to use ln
\[ T = 37 e^{-0.017329\ t} +38 \]
@DanJS i dont get what to do next here
@DanJS
i just did this on the other thread i thought. lol
yeah but i got everything you said, phi answered it, it just didnt give me the notification hahaha
i just dont get what to do next to get my answer for 4 and 5
separable DE, then get T(t) = 38 + Ce^(kt) need to use points to get C and k
cause he just went offline randomly
i already got k, it is 1/30ln(22/37)
An additional 30 minutes.... what time would that be ?
\[T(t) = 38 + 37e ^{-.017329*t}\] I just copied down the constants from above, assuming they are right
So they gave you out to T(30) = 60 An ADDITIONAL 30 minutes would be T(60) = ....
These are the 2 easy questions, you already found the solution to the differential equation. lol
for 5) How long to cool to 55? T(t) = 55 find t
wait what is number 4? im so lost
from now on im only putting up one question haha
For 4, they want you to just add 30 minutes on to the last time point they gave you T(30) = 60 30 more minutes is T(60) = 38 + 37e^(-0.017392*60)
Just evaluate T(60) for number 4
For 5) They tell you the temp is 55 and want to know the time, solve for t here T(t) = 55 = 38 + 37e^(-0.017392t)
51 degrees for number 4?
umm, let me see
yeah , i got about 51 too
yay(:
here is the graph for this problem function
Notice T(0) = 75, T(60) = 51.03 It approaches 38 degrees as time goes on to infinity
That is temperature on the Y axis, and Time on the X axis
omg theres someone going on with openstudy, the lag is crzy
okay so i got number 4, that is finally done(: now onto number 5, what is the next step??
For 5) They tell you the temp is 55 and want to know the time, solve for t here T(t) = 55 = 38 + 37e^(-0.017392t)
Here is the graph, with a horizontal line at y=55 degrees, it intersects the curve at time 44.72 minutes
17=37e^(-.017392t) 17/37=e^(-.017392t)
im stuck
That is just a plot of the T(t) function, the red curve is the temperature at time t
just drew a line at y = 55 degrees, the corresponding time is x = 44.72 minutes
so my answe is 44.72 minutes and thats it?
yes
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