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OpenStudy (matlee):

Need help with precaluclus will give owlbuck

OpenStudy (matlee):

OpenStudy (matlee):

lol

OpenStudy (matlee):

this one is probably my hardest looking one , well for me

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

@inkyvoyd please help us. :P

OpenStudy (matlee):

lol

OpenStudy (matlee):

oh is nnesha!

OpenStudy (matlee):

with like the best baby pictures i love them

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

yea lol I like them too.

Nnesha (nnesha):

double angle formula co(2x) = 2cosx^2-1 use that and then you will get quadratic equation

OpenStudy (matlee):

Ehm. wait which one is that cos the first one

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

I am wondering the same

OpenStudy (matlee):

Nnesha (nnesha):

|dw:1450416242839:dw| cos(2x) =1-2sin^2x `or` 2cos^2-1 and look at the 2nd term which is cos x so you should use 2nd one

OpenStudy (matlee):

-cry-

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

man im sorry lol, I failed in helping.

OpenStudy (matlee):

thats ok lol, u helped me not to bad in the last one

Nnesha (nnesha):

the 2nd term is cos(x) so it would be great if you use 2cos^2-1 there are different ways to prove/verify the identity we should figure out which one is best for each question

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

im just trying to learn now lol

OpenStudy (matlee):

oh ok that makes sense. Can i use that for the first term too, 2cos^2-1 for cos2x

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Nnesha has helped by providing a review of the identity co(2x) = 2cosx^2-1 . Substitute co(2x) = 2cosx^2-1 for cos 2x in the original equation, and then write out the whole thing.

OpenStudy (matlee):

wait what is co

OpenStudy (mathmale):

In other words, write out cos 2x + cos x = 0, making that substitution discussed above.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

is it short for cos?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Yes, sorry. cos, not co. ;(

OpenStudy (matlee):

oh ok np

OpenStudy (matlee):

1-sin^2x +2xcos^2-1+

OpenStudy (mathmale):

As you yourself have typed in, 2cos^2-1 can be substituted for cos2x. Why bring in the sine function? Our goal (not stated) was to eliminate all of the trig functions except for cos x.

OpenStudy (matlee):

o sorry i thought it was cos2x and second one was for cosx

OpenStudy (mathmale):

2cos^2-1 for cos2x results in 2cos^2-1 + cos x = 0, right?

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

right

OpenStudy (matlee):

yes

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Now we have only one trig function, cos x. This equation just happens to be a quadratic equation as well as a trig equation. Rearrange the terms in DESCENDING order of powers of cos x.

OpenStudy (matlee):

lol

OpenStudy (matlee):

nvm i think i got this. so cosx goes first?

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

yea I think so

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

is it mathmale?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

That's not the whole story. You have no trig function here except for the cosine. What is the highest power of the cosine function you see?

OpenStudy (matlee):

^2-1

OpenStudy (mathmale):

2cos^2-1 + cos x = 0 You need to look at 2cos^2 alone. This is "twice the square of the cosine function."

OpenStudy (matlee):

^2

OpenStudy (mathmale):

So, your equation begins with \[2\cos^2 x\]

OpenStudy (mathmale):

this is what I meant when I asked you for the term representing the highest power of x.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Now, what is the next highest power of x?

OpenStudy (matlee):

oooo, ok

OpenStudy (matlee):

cos x

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

Yea!

OpenStudy (matlee):

wel and the -1

OpenStudy (mathmale):

and what's the coefficient of that power of cos x?

OpenStudy (matlee):

-1

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

is it -1?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

So then you end up with \[2\cos^2 x - 1\cos x\]

OpenStudy (matlee):

awesome

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

oh I see

OpenStudy (mathmale):

how do you complete this equation? Which term in the original equation have we not yet used? Find it and then complete the whole equation ...... = 0.

OpenStudy (matlee):

[0,2pi)

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

pie

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

yea

OpenStudy (matlee):

wait what do those brackets and parenthesis mean

OpenStudy (matlee):

i forgot

OpenStudy (mathmale):

2cos^2-1 + cos x = 0 becomes what? Mark: please hold the pie and all jokes and comments for now, OK?

OpenStudy (matlee):

lol

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

I wasn't joking lol, I am actually trying to learn, good job with the teaching I love it.

OpenStudy (matlee):

yes i dont think he was joking

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

no, I was trying to be serious here.

OpenStudy (matlee):

but honestly i dont know it becomes 2pi?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

2cos^2-1 + cos x = 0 needs to be rearranged in descending powers of cos x. Mark: You're welcome to observe. Unless matlee has a question or comment for you, please remain in the background.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

2cos^2-1 + cos x = 0 needs to be re-written, as explained earlier. pi, 2pi have nothing to do with this operation.

OpenStudy (matlee):

square root?

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

lol cmon mathmale don't be so harsh with me, because I tend to understand when I communticate. If you want me to leave then I will, but I am wanting to be part of this.

OpenStudy (matlee):

holy crap i subtract it

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Wait. Stop. First, before you do anything more, tell me what you think our objective is.

OpenStudy (matlee):

lol my brothers computer so slow

OpenStudy (matlee):

Ok uhm, to make an exact value

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

Ok, I guess I will just leave, but matlee good luck. I believe you can do this.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

No. Our objective is to write this equation by descending powers of cos x. Here's an example of descending order: 10 8 7 6 3 2 1

OpenStudy (matlee):

Thank you i will see you soon

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

;)

OpenStudy (matlee):

Ohhhhh

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Rewrite in descending order by powers of cos x;

OpenStudy (matlee):

-1cosx + 2cos^2= 0 i was like whatt

OpenStudy (mathmale):

You've written this with ASCENDING powers of cos x. What we need is \[2\cos^2 x + \cos x -1 = 0\]

OpenStudy (mathmale):

.. . which has its powers of cos x DESCENDING.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

What would be our next goal? If necessary, go back and read the problem statement / instructions.

OpenStudy (matlee):

wait what where did u get that extra x

OpenStudy (mathmale):

The goal of this problem is to ...... " Please finish this sentence.

OpenStudy (matlee):

to find all solutions in t he interval [0,2pi)

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Honestly, there is NO extra x. Which occurence of x are you rreferring to?

OpenStudy (matlee):

2cosx i thought it transtalted to 2cos^2

OpenStudy (mathmale):

No, it doesn't. First term is 2 cos^2 x. "Two times the square of cos x."

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Second term is +cos x. Third term is -1.

OpenStudy (matlee):

ok

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Be careful about assumptions. Don't automatically assume something if you're not sure; check it out!

OpenStudy (mathmale):

\[2\cos^2x + \cos x - 1 = 0\]

OpenStudy (mathmale):

is the equation we have to solve FIRST for cos x and SECOND for x.

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