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OpenStudy (princesssleelee):

Assume a and b are nonzero rational numbers and c and d are irrational numbers. For each of the following expressions, determine whether the result is irrational, rational, or both. Justify your answers. Part A: ac + d Part B: four b square root of three end square root plus c Part C: b2(c + d)

OpenStudy (math&ing001):

Well product of two rationals is always rational. And the sum of a rational and an irrational is irrational.

OpenStudy (math&ing001):

That's for part A.

zepdrix (zepdrix):

They give you too much freedom in your choice though. Like for part A, what if we let b=-1 (rational) c=pi (irrational d=pi (irrational) Then bc+d = -pi + pi = 0 (rational) Maybe they didn't want you to consider 0 because otherwise all of these options can be rational. Hmmm

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Woops I meant a=-1 sorry :D

OpenStudy (math&ing001):

You chose two irrationals, you're only asked to choose 1 in part A. Part is always gonna give you an irrational.

OpenStudy (math&ing001):

Part A*

OpenStudy (math&ing001):

Here's what you need to remember in general : x product of two rationals is always rational product of two irrationals can be both product of a non-zero rational and an irrational is irrational + sum of two rationals is always rational sum of two irrationals can be both sum of a rational and an irrational is always irrational

OpenStudy (princesssleelee):

I am completely lost... :(

OpenStudy (princesssleelee):

@zepdrix

OpenStudy (math&ing001):

What part do you still have problems on ?

OpenStudy (math&ing001):

Btw I misread part A, it's product of a non-zero rational (a) and an irrational (c) which is irrational. Then the sum of 2 irrationals (ac) and (d) which can be both. So part A can be both rational and irrational.

OpenStudy (princesssleelee):

I dont understand that lol if i were to have the written answer i would be able to work from it, i dont want to sound like a dummy that just wants the answer but its hard to understand something i do not know without knowing the correct answer, i can work from the answer and understand the plug it all in.

zepdrix (zepdrix):

:d

OpenStudy (princesssleelee):

what lol

zepdrix (zepdrix):

what's going on? :o confusing math?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Do you understand the difference between a rational and irrational number? Rationals can be written as a fraction containing whole numbers. Irrationals can not. Here are some examples of rational numbers: \(\rm \frac32\) is rational because its a whole number divided by a whole number. \(\rm 7\) is a rational number because it can be written as \(\rm \frac71\). \(\rm -4\) is a rational number, it also can be written in this form \(\rm \frac{-4}{1}\). This next one maybe seem surprising, but, \(\rm 0\) is a rational number. It also can be written as \(\rm \frac01\), but not as \(\rm \frac00\) (Which is not a number).

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Oh here are some examples of irrational numbers: `The square root of any number that is NOT a perfect square.` So \(\rm \sqrt3\) is irrational. There is no fractional representation of square root 3 using whole numbers. Same for \(\rm \sqrt5\), \(\rm \sqrt6\), ... all of the numbers which are not 4, 9, 16, etc.

zepdrix (zepdrix):

So if you have something like \(\rm 4+\sqrt3\), this is an example of a `rational number` plus `an irrational number`. The result is irrational because it has the irrational part in it. \(\rm 4+\sqrt3=irrational\)

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Ok I should stop rambling probably D: I dunno where you're stuck.

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Go eat a sandwich, sandwiches are good for you.

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