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OpenStudy (anonymous):

can someone help me with number 7 and 10. I am lost

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i know Total energy of satellite in orbit = -GMm/2r but when i solve for a I get a negative answer of -15632812 J

OpenStudy (anonymous):

this is 7a

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Regarding #10: Since the masses assumedly are not moving, the net external force on each is zero. Of course, if you're considering gravistational forces, Your answer may be different.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thats why it was confusing to me seemed like a trick question wouldnt it just be 0 or the gravitational constant perhaps

OpenStudy (mathmale):

All bodies exert gravitational forces on other bodies. There's a standard formula for this type of force. Of course the forces involved are so small that they're essentially zero, which is not to say that they ARE zero.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

fnet=G (m1m2)/r

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i was thinking about that but idk

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Haven't worked with this in years. Check, please, whether that r should be just r, or r^2. Also, I seem to remember that both g and G appear in the numerator. Check that out. Search for "gravitational forces."

OpenStudy (anonymous):

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OpenStudy (anonymous):

this is what i found

OpenStudy (anonymous):

im lost

OpenStudy (anonymous):

would it be for number 10 like 4.1E-10?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Your formula is fine. Thx for looking it up. G is just a constant. Two masses are indicated: m1 and m2. The distance between two masses in question is d, so d^2 is the square of that. Look for a value for G, the constant in your formula. Try to ask leading questions, so that you can learn from what currently makes you feel lost.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

For #7 : \[PE = -\dfrac{mMG}{r}\] \[KE = \dfrac{1}{2}mv^2\]

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

I have a question for you, when do circular orbits occur?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

I think it safe to assume that the satellites move in essentially (if not perfectly) circular orbits around the earth, at least in a problem of this particular level of difficulty.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

G is 6.67E-11. I plugged it in and got 4.1E-10 for 10

OpenStudy (anonymous):

circular orbits occurr when a smaller object gets caught in the gravitational pull of another far more massive object

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

You can figure out the orbital velocity by using the fact that the satellite is in circular orbit. Therefore there must act a centripetal force changing the direction of satellite continuously, pulling it towards the earth

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Please show all your work if you'd like feedback. If you merely share your answer in isolation, then it implies that you expect your helpers to do entire problems from scratch so as to tell you whether your result is correct or not. Not realistic.

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

Yeah, so when the gravitational force equals the centripetal force in the simplest sense, I guess you don't really need to know this considering the difficulty of your question :d hehe, what ganeshie gave should be good!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

haha astro

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so for total it is pe +ke

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how do i determine the velocity for ke?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Which force is acting as centripetal force here ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

gravity?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i think the velocity of the satellite is 7907

OpenStudy (anonymous):

m/s

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Yes, centripetal force = gravitational force \[\dfrac{mMG}{r^2} = \dfrac{mv^2}{r}\] just isolate \(v\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

doesnt velocity also equal v=sqrt((GM)/r)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

which I could probably get by isolating that

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

v = 7907 m/s looks goo

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I get a negative amount of energy when I plug in

OpenStudy (anonymous):

-15632812 J

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Maybe below expression for total energy of the satellite-earth system is simpler to use : \[PE+KE = -\dfrac{mMG}{r}+\dfrac{1}{2}\dfrac{mMG}{r} = -\dfrac{1}{2}\dfrac{mMG}{r} \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I got the same answer but positive

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Negative value should make sense because we are defining 0 potential energy at infinity. And the potential energy decreases as the distance between satellite and earth decreases

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

for b it would just be total energy of higher minus total energy of lower?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Yep

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thanks :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how do I go about 10

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i was thinking just do Gm1m2/d^2

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

You need to add up the forces vectorially

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

maybe start by drawing a rough diagram

OpenStudy (anonymous):

shoot just realized my answers are wrong for 7

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i didnt factor in the height of the satellite when calculating

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Happens haha! \(r = \text{distance between satellite and center of earth}\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah but its frustrating haha. After i recalculate ill make the diagram

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

take your time

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok new answer for higher sattelite is 2382142 J

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

with the 0 potential energy definite at infinity, the total energy is always negative

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah it was negative forgot to add the sign

OpenStudy (anonymous):

my energy was higher at the lower orbit

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

it cannot be

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

remember -8 < -2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh duh

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

a large negative value is less than a small negative value

OpenStudy (anonymous):

:(

OpenStudy (anonymous):

my self esteem just died lmao

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok so how do i set up the diagram for 10

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

lol, maybe when free graph below functions : f(x) = -mMG/r g(x) = 1/2mv^2 h(x) = -1/2mMG/r

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you will see something like below : http://www.a-levelphysicstutor.com/images/fields/orb-PEKEgraph-01.jpg

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Notice how kinetic energy is always positive

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

and how the potential energy and total energy are always negative

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Also notice, all curves tend to 0 for large values of r

OpenStudy (anonymous):

that makes more sense now

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the negative had me confused for a bit

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

for #10 draw a square with four masses at four corners

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

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