What is the next number in the sequence: 9, 3, 1, 1/3,... Answer is 1/9 but i am unsure how they got that answer, can someone show me how they got it? I get lost after getting 1/3, I thought it decreased by dividing all the numbers by 3 but that would mean that the answer should be .11111111 repeating not 1/9?
Hint : \[0.111\ldots = \dfrac{1}{10} + \dfrac{1}{100}+\dfrac{1}{1000}+\cdots \]
Hahahaha I feel dumb 9/1 3/1 1/1 1/3 1/3 They are mirroring ?
That was suposed to be 1/9 the last one...
your teacher must be feeling patterny :)
did you get my earlier hint ?
Im studying for entrance exams. I want to go to collage.
I thought I did but no, I didnt.
Ohkay, lets take it step by step and slow
look at the number \[246.0\] what does it represent ?
it is a shortcut for below lengthy expression : \[2\times 10^2 + 4\times 10^1 + 6\times 10^0 + 0\times 10^{-1}\] yes ?
Sorry I am usually not this slow. I would say 246/1 right? and I don't understand your last comment.
how do you "spell out" the number 246.0 ?
Two hundred fourty six
good, let me break that : ``` two hundred fourty six ```
same as ``` 200 + 40 + 6 ```
oh ok
same as ``` 2x100 + 4x10 + 6x1 ```
Now I understand your one comment.
246 represents : 2 hundreds 4 tens 6 ones
lets do a quick example
"spell out" the number 4789
Four thousand seven hundred eighty nine
can you write it in numbers...
4000 700 80 6
``` 4 x 1000 + 7 x 100 + 8 x 10 + 9 x 1 ```
9
can we write it as : ``` 4 x 10^3 + 7 x 10^2 + 8 x 10^1 + 9 x 1^0 ``` ?
I put a 6 not a 9. Continue sorry.
above is called "decimal expansion" of 4789
See if you can write the decimal expansion of 345
3x10^2 + 4x10^1 + 5x1^0
Excellent! lets do one more example
write the decimal expansion of 328.6
3x10^2 + 2x10^1 + 8x10^0 + .6X.1^0
wrong 2, 1, 0, what comes next ?
.1
-1
-1, yes
so the decimal expansion of 328.6 is ``` 3x10^2 + 2x10^1 + 8x10^0 + 6x10^(-1) ```
why would it be a negative instead of a decimal?
that is a very good question! before answering that, could you "spell out" the number 328.6 ?
three hundred twenty eight and six tenths
very good how do you "write out" six tenths ?
i mean, how do you express six tenths using numbers ?
6x10^(-1)
how did u get -1 ?
you're correct btw..
Thats what you showed me when we expressed 328.6
I don't know how, that's what I was shown.
do you know six-tenths can also be written as 6/10? @Ashtorah13
Yes
\[\frac{6}{10}=\frac{6}{10^{1}}=6 \cdot \frac{1}{10^{1}}=6 \cdot 10^{-1}\]
Still don't know why its a negative and not a decimal.
the exponent is negative not the number itself the exponent is negative because it is a decimal
Ok so its just a different way to show the decimal?
examples: \[.6=\frac{6}{10} \text{ or } 6 \cdot 10^{-1} \\ .06 =\frac{6}{100}=\frac{6}{10^2} \text{ or } 6 \cdot 10^{-2} \\ .006 =\frac{6}{1000}=\frac{6}{10^3} \text{ or } 6 \cdot 10^{-3}\]
OH ok so it shows where the decimal will go!
so like 6X10^(-5) would be .00006
yes like 6*10^2 would be 06.00 move the decimal over 2 spaces to the right so you have 0600. or just 600 but 6*10^(-2) would be 06.00 move the decimal over 2 spaces to left so you have .0600 or just .06
yes
Bingo Thank you. But I still don't understand my original question...
what is the original question
are you talking about the next number in that sequence you first mentioned?
Yes
I feel what I just learned ties into it but I am unsure
do you know what common ratio means?
No? (I may, I just don't remember.)
oh actually you did see the common ratio earlier what you meant to say earlier is that the patterned looked like all you had to do was take term and divided by 3 to get next term right?
Ya
another way to say divide by 3 is to say multiply by 1/3
9*1/3=3 3*1/3=1 1*1/3=1/3 1/3*1/3=?
It makes perfect since now!
don't whip out your calculator
just multiply straight across :)
and you are right .11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111..... is 1/9 :)
most calculators won't tell you that though a bad side effect of some calculators :p
common numerator dont need to, :3 I knew it was 1/9 just wasnt sure how they got it. and oh my, how the heck would you simplify .1111111111 into 1/9?
Is there a way to give you both medals?
we can even prove 1/9 is .1111111111111111111111111111111111111111(repeating) \[x=.1111111111111111111.... \\ \text{ multiply both sides by 10 } \\ 10x=1.111111111111111111111................... \\ \text{ now take equation 2 and subtract from \it equation 1 } \\ 10x-x=1.111111111111111111111...........-.1111111111111111111.... \\ 9x=1.00000000000000000..... \\ 9x=1 \\ \text{ divide both sides by 9 } \\ x=\frac{1}{9}\]
therefore .111111(repeating)=1/9
another example: Say we wanted to figure out what fraction .534534534534.... equals let x=.534534534534.... multiply both sides by 1000 repetition begins after 1000th place \[1000x=534.534534534......\] now we subtract 2nd from 1st equation again \[999x=534.00000000000000000000.... \\ \text{ so } x=\frac{534}{999}\] check your calculator if you want to
you will see 534/999 is .534(repeating)
now we subtract 1st from 2nd equation *
Is anything repeating over 9? Say you have .7777777 would that mean it would be 777/999?
let's find out let x=.7777777777777(repeating) repetition starts after 10th's place so we multiply both sides by 10 10x=7.77777777777(repeating) subtract 1st from 2nd we get 10x-x=7 9x=7 solve for x by dividing both sides by 9 x=7/9 and you said 777/999 which still works since 777/999 can be reduced to 7/9 but yeah you are right (you just have to put the right amount of 9's depending on the repetition) sometimes you can reduce the answer just like what you found with 777/999
another example for fun \[x=.3401340134013401.... \\ \text{ here we multiply both sides by } 10000 \\ \text{ since repetition begins after } 10000th \text{ place} \\ \\ 10000x=3401.34013401...... \\ \text{ subtract 1st from 2nd } \\ 10000x-x=3401 \\ 9999x=3401 \\ x=\frac{3401}{9999}\]
10x=7.77777777777 - x=.7777777777777 (let me see if I can explainthis right) I was uncertine how you kept getting 9 from 10 after subtracting. Is it when you subtract 10x from x you have to put a 1 infront of the x? Making it 10x- 1x? So you get 9x?
that is correct x is 1x
Oh my this is making more and more since. My algebra teacher wasn't vary good.
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