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OpenStudy (meganfox_official):

doubt related to wave function

OpenStudy (meganfox_official):

a wave pulse is travelling in the +x direction on a string at 2m/s. Displacement y (in cm) of the particle at x=0 at any time t is given by \(\frac{2}{(t^2 +1)}\). Find the expression of the function y=(x,t), t.t., displacement of a particle at position x and time t.

OpenStudy (meganfox_official):

replacing t by t- x/v where v is 2 solves the problem but what is the logic behind this replacement? well if x/v is the time period of the wave then it is fine but x/v is just the time taken to travel a distance x with a velocity v and not necessarily the time period right?

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

please note that, when I write: \[f\left( {x,t} \right) = f\left( {x,t - \frac{x}{v}} \right)\] I'm saying that the value of the function \(f\) at time \(t\), is equal to its value at time \(t-x/v\), which is a preceding time with respect to \(t\)

OpenStudy (meganfox_official):

okay but how is the value of function same at t and t-x/v

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

since, a wave function, is a \(periodic\) function, please think about the function which describes th electric field of a plane electromagnetic wave

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

we can choose \(x\), in \(t-x/v\), proportionally to the wave length

OpenStudy (meganfox_official):

why didn't we replace t with t+x/v ?

OpenStudy (meganfox_official):

yes a wave function is periodic and the value of a periodic function repeats after a regular interval called time period so does that mean that x/v is the time period?

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

second answer is correct! first answer: because if I write: \[f\left( {x,t} \right) = f\left( {x,t + \frac{x}{v}} \right)\] I'm saying that the value of \(f\) at time \(t\), is equal to its value at a subsequent time \(t+x/v\), so I'm describing a backward wave

OpenStudy (meganfox_official):

i have done a similar problem before in which this concept was used- y(x,t)=y(x-vt,0) i understand this one here after t=0 the wave is moving towards right side and after time=t it will cover vt distance so the new x coordinate will be (x-vt)+vt=x so basically y(x,t) and y(x-vt,0) are representing the same y coordinate on the wave

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

yes! Correct!

OpenStudy (meganfox_official):

so x/v is the time period?

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

yes! we can choose \(x=v\;T\), where \(T\) is the period of the wave

OpenStudy (meganfox_official):

time period is the time in which a wave travels a distance equal to its wave length so does that mean that x is the wavelength :/

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

yes! It is not a contradiction

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

we can see better the reasoning, if we write this: \[f\left( x \right) = f\left( {x - vt} \right)\quad \left( {{\text{progressive}}\;{\text{wave}}} \right)\]

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

more precisely: \[f\left( {x,t} \right) = f\left( {x - vt,t} \right)\quad \left( {{\text{progressive}}\;{\text{wave}}} \right)\]

OpenStudy (meganfox_official):

but the question says - " Find the expression of the function y=(x,t), t.t., displacement of a particle at position x and time t" so x here indicates the displacement of particle so in our expression x must indicate the displacement of particle our expression after making that replacement is this- \(\frac{2}{(t-x/2)^2+1}\) and here we said that x is the wavelength and x/2 the time period but according to the question x is the displacement and it can take any value and not every x/2 is the wavelength so x/2 cannot be the time period

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

please think about this reasoning: let's consider a progressive wave: \(f(x-vt)\) and the subsequent drawing: |dw:1465837914618:dw| wherein a wave at two different times, \(t_0,t\) is depicted. Now the value of \(f\), at positions \(x',x''\) is equal, if: \[\begin{gathered} x' - v{t_0} = x'' - vt \hfill \\ \hfill \\ \frac{{x'' - x'}}{{t - {t_0}}} = v \hfill \\ \end{gathered} \] namely the Whole wave \(f\) is moving towards the right side

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