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OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

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OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

Looking for the torque a long the whole entire rod.

OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

hey you there?

OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

I am currently working on another problem. I have a solution for it too but not getting the correct answer and I am sure my solution is correct. Lets look at this one for now.

OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

I was comparing my answer to the solution manual. I didn't get what they were doing so that is why I am here.

OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Here's what I've got so far: using N, mm (N/mm^2=MPa) G=70000 MPa a=1500; b=400; c=1100; t=-4400 N-mm/mm; tc=4100000 N-mm; td=-2200000 N-mm; Following values are after independent applications of t, tc and td. theta_b= \(\Large \int_0^a \frac{tdx (x)}{GJ}\) = -0.17565 rad [ using theta=TL/GJ] theta_c=tc*(a+b)/(GJ)=+0.27643 theta_d=td*(a+b+c)/(GJ)=-0.23420 Do you have the same numbers? If yes, then we can get the combined value for theta_b by prorating theta_c and theta_d. Same goes for combined values of theta_d.

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Also, a useful list of formulas are here: http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/torsion-shafts-d_947.html

OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

There is no way to get the torque along segment AB?

OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

i meant segment AD I am just having a hard time analyzing segment AB

OpenStudy (mathmate):

I would analyze them separately, and use superposition to find the theta's.

OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

How did you use theta_b = the integral.

OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

taking the integral with respect to x?

OpenStudy (mathmate):

|dw:1467942277901:dw| Since rotations are additive, so we integrate like TL/GJ, replacing T by tdx, and L by x.

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Actually dT = tdx.

OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

Oh I see.

OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

Hmmm interesting way to go about solving it. I will give it a go. I want to try something first though. Do you have time to look at one more problem? Part of a problem?

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Just post it and tag or PM me. At least I have decent Internet now! lol

OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

okay sounds good. Thanks.

OpenStudy (mathmate):

I will leave it to you to work out the details, and perhaps the combinations! Remember, contribution of rotation at B from torque at C is prorated according to length, but contribution of rotation at C from torque AB equals rotation at B because torque stops at B.

OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

Yeah I am going to try one more thing before looking at what you suggested.

OpenStudy (mathmate):

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OpenStudy (mathmate):

Good! Let me know how it goes when you're ready!

OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

I will. thanks.

OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

nvm I guess finding the angle of twist will allow me to find the torque

OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

question. WOuld the torque in BC just be T = Tc - Td?

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Yes, but strictly speaking, it's Tc+Td, and let the signs take care of themselves.

OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

The torque applied between AB would also need to be included with the torque at BC right?

OpenStudy (mathmate):

"finding the angle of twist will allow me to find the torque" In this problem, all the torques are given, and the angles of twist are required...unless I misunderstood something.

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Yes, to the extent shown in the previous drawing, i.e. Tab 's effect on B and C is the value at B.

OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

Yes, I will need to find the angle of twists eventually. Okay I will solve using the angle of twist.

OpenStudy (mathmate):

theta=TL/GJ, right?

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Oh, forgot to mention, I have J=402578 mm^4.

OpenStudy (raffle_snaffle):

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