Atomic Theory ◘ Quantum Model Questions below; second unanswered
11) The Bohr model of the atom assumes that which of the following quantities for the electron in a hydrogen atom is/are quantized? i. \(\large{\text{Speed}}\) ii. \(\large{\text{Direction of Spin Axis}}\) iii. \(\large{\text{Energy}}\) iv. \(\large{\text{Radius of its orbit}}\) The options are:\[\text{a. iii only}\]\[\text{b. i and iii}\]\[\text{c. iii and iv}\]\[\text{d. i, iii, and iv}\]\[\text{e. i, ii, and iii}\]
(Generalized question) How do you calculate the ground-state electron configuration of an element?
Its been such a long time since i did this stuff I know that the energy is quantized (iii)
okay
and radius of the orbit is set that s (iv)
to be honest im not sure. If i had to make a guess it would be option (c. ) Not sure about the speed.
hmm
yeah, answer key says C
sorry
you got it right :P
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\[\large{alt+\text{ (number pad) }1}\]
You could try looking for a video on youtube... i need some videos that cover this
Yep. Remember to use the number pad ☺ Alright I'll go look for some videos then!
oooohhhh @kittiwitti1 i thought you typed "alright go look for some videos then!"
xD
explain how to do the symbols... i cant do them ;-;
they're alt codes, just press ALT key and then one of the numbers at the same time (really, one after the other, don't let go of the ALT key until you hit the number)
The ground state configuration is actually just the Lyman Series. It is the set of quantized energies when you go from n = 2,3,4,5 etc. to n = 1 (your ground state is n=1 for hydrogen) There is a cute formula to work this out \[\frac{ 1 }{ \lambda } = R_H (\frac{ 1 }{ n_f^2 } - \frac{ 1 }{ n_i^2 }) \] R_H is Rydberg's constant roughly 1.097 x 10^7 /m nf and ni are your final n and initial n. So ground state configuration you have nf being 1 which reduces your equation to \[\frac{ 1 }{ \lambda } = R_h(1-\frac{ 1 }{ n_i^2 })\] The set of solutions gives rise to the Lyman series. If your final state is not n =1, you get other series like Balmer Series (nf=2), Paschen series (nf=3), Brackett Series (nf=4) and Pfund series (bf=5) Lyman series, we can also write energy associated with the electron transition: \[E= h \nu = \frac{ hc }{ \lambda } = hcR_H(1-\frac{ 1 }{ n_i^2 })\]
Quantum # Practice: A: For \(n=4\), what are the possible values of \(l\)? B: For \(l=3\), what are the possible values of \(m_{l}\) (also written as \(m\))? My answer to the second is:\[\LARGE{m=-3,-2,-1,0,1,2,3}\]
I have no idea what that said ... I'm only in basic Chemistry lol @mww
^you'll have to learn it sooner or later
Well, yes, but looking at that just confuses me at the moment. ^-^;
To be honest, maybe because it's a summer class (or not, I did this in high school too), my professor just gave us a little chart of sorts to use... but I wanted to know if there was a more explicit way to do it
Well to start off with basically you should understand that electrons can exist in different configurations or states. The further away from the nucleus the greater the energy that electron has. So when an electron jumps between states (which are quantized) a discrete amount of energy is absorbed or releaed
Alright, I understand that
I think there was some sort of diagram with the Periodic Table that showed increasing reactivity or something with electron shells that would help students in my class with the configurations.
oh are you talking about subshells s, p, d, f
Yup. Well, that aside, I seem to be having the most issues with the next set of problems
...when either \(n\), \(l\), \(m\) or \(s\) is given, how do I get the rest? I believe that \(m\) is the range of \(\pm l\)... according to my class papers
\(\color{blue}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) kittiwitti1 Quantum # Practice: A: For \(n=4\), what are the possible values of \(l\)? B: For \(l=3\), what are the possible values of \(m_{l}\) (also written as \(m\))? My answer to the second is:\[\LARGE{m=-3,-2,-1,0,1,2,3}\] \(\color{blue}{\text{End of Quote}}\) These qeuestion, specifically
Ergh. *Questions
yes. that's correct. s (spin) is +/- 1/2
Wait, what?
I said that off my notes it says \(m=\pm l\) range
oh I was talking about the last quantum number which is spin, always +/- 1/2 but yes m is -l,...0,...+l
so then... did I get part B in that question right lol
and thanks for confirming! ☺
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