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OpenStudy (kayders1997):

Please help! I will fan and medal

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

Find the absolute extrema of each function on the given interval. f(x)=x^3-14x-5 on the interval [-1,8]

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

find the derivative first

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

oh shoot lol that was the derivative lol

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

post the original function

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

x^3-7x^2-5x+10 on [-1,8]

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

alright the derivative of that will be: 3x^2 - 14x - 5

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

a lot easier to factor than x^3-14x-5

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

yeah lol, my bad

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

so can you factor 3x^2 - 14x - 5

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

(3x+1)(x-5)

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

yep

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

now solve for x

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

x=-1/3 and x=5

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

correct, do you know what you just found?

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

Isn't it when the slope is equal to 0?

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

what you found is known as the critical points

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

oh ok

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

now are they in the interval [-1,8] ?

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

yes

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

yep so plug the following numbers into x^3-7x^2-5x+10 (original function): -1/3, 5, -1, 8 Can you figure out what numbers I chose?

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

Well the two are the critical numbers, and other points were at the beginning and the end of the interval?

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

yep

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

plug them into the original function now

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

ok

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

tag me when you get it

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

ok

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

ok so is it x=8 is the max and x=5 is the min?

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

for -1 I got the value 7 for -1/3 I got 10.85 for 5 I got -65 and for 8 I got 34

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

the max would be 34

OpenStudy (mathmale):

First: exactly what does "absolute extrema" mean? Note that "absolute extrema" relates to an interval.

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

too be exact, the absolute maximum is 34 and will occur at x = 8

OpenStudy (mathmale):

In this "absolute extrema" problem, you need to find two different kinds of extrema: 1. Those where the first derivative = 0 2. Those extrema that occur at one endpoint or the other. Have you done both? Really, if you want feedback on your work, you'll need to share your calculations.

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

yes we found when the derivative was 0 but what do you mean at one endpoint or the other? We found the derivative to be 3x^2-14x-5 and factored to get (3x+1)(x-5) than equaled both of those to 0 to get x=-1/3 and x=5

OpenStudy (mathmale):

suggestion: Make a list of the critical values occurring in the given interval. calculate the associated function values. Also evaluate the function itself at both of the endpoints. To find the "abs. max.," identify the greatest function value on that interval. To find the "abs. mom.," identify the smallest function value on that interval. @kayders1997?

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

Ok yes that makes sense

OpenStudy (mathmale):

I am asking you to LOCATE the relative max and min that occur within the given interval. You must then evaluate the function at each such value. Next, you need to evaluate the function at each of the 2 endpoints. Next, rank your ordered pairs in increasing size by function value. The largest is the "abs. max." on that interval. and so on.

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

ok

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

so you will be looking at -1 -1/3 5 and 8 right?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Since I have not seen your actual work, I'm not responding "right" or "wrong" to your listing of x-values. Again, you must evaluate the given function at each x-value determined, whether those values are end point x values or are inside the given interval. I would like to see four points: (-1, f(-1)), etc., and then I'd like to see your ranking of those 4 points in ascending order by y-coordinate.

OpenStudy (kayders1997):

ok so the points (-1,7) (-1/3,10.85)(5,-65) and (8,34) so the absolute min would be (5,-65) and the absolute max would be (8,34)

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

yes...same answer as me lol

OpenStudy (danjs):

Looks right, only thing is for each critical point, you should test to see if the function is actually changing from increasing/decreasing or decreasing/increasing at each crit point by plugging in any x value inside the interval for f ' (x) and see if it is + or - value |dw:1475985989508:dw|

OpenStudy (danjs):

It could just do one of these. like in y=x^3 |dw:1475986225641:dw|

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