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Shadow:

Introspection?

Elsa213:

Why kick spam out?

Shadow:

Lol cause I want legit opinions.

bm717:

thats the reason why elsa (:::

bm717:

death penalty is not acceptable

bm717:

i have no reasoning cause my brain ain't working right

Elsa213:

Without spam, what will keep the site living? Without spam, who will annoy Ultrilliam? Without spam, how will one apologize? Without spam, how will kindness be shown? Without spam, how will users live?

bm717:

RIGHT ELSA WITHOUT ME HOW WOULD USERS LIVE

bm717:

im a necessity to this world

Elsa213:

^

Shadow:

Hmm, I don't know if I ever expected this to not be spam. Anywho, Sarah, that is an argument I would like to see you play out. Why is thou a necessity to this world?

Shadow:

I have never quite known you to be one without words.

bm717:

the death penalty most of the times consists of someone injecting pentobarbitol and other stuff to stop a person's heart. More companies are making expensive pentobarbitol, which makes other people who kill for fun, or who assist in suicidal euthanasia easy to do their job. in my opinion, assisted suicide is okay as once if there are no signs of depression and the patient really wants to die. but the death penalty has so much more reasons than just pentobarbitol. the justice system isn't always right and the jury may be sometimes toward one side than the other. If the inmate was wrongfully sentenced to death, that is just plain murder and just imagine their pain, that they had to live years in jail and eventually die for something they never commited. Statistics are shown that people are executed for no reasons and that after they die, more evidence is found that proves the jury wrong. Death penalty is also a place where racial segregation doesn't really matter anymore, tbh. More black or racial people other than whites die wrongfully and black people are more sentenced to die than white people on death row. but like I said earlier, pentobarbitol is pretty expensive and we don't need to use that money for killing someone who did wrongdoing, more like trying to pay our debts or help poverty. I also said earlier that wrongfully sentenced people die also. Also the one thing I realized was that death penalties don't even stop crime. they just keep on happening, because some people are retarded that way. it scares people, of course. But would it stop people who are mentally ill from killing someone? Most likely not. I also read somewhere that the jury decides whether the victim die or lives. I've read other places that the death penalty is also applied at random. Whether or not these rumors are true, some group of people should not decide an outlook on someone's life. If capital punishment is selected at random, that's just complete bs. capital punishment, in my opinion, goes against human rights and should not be allowed to kill someone no matter how much of a bad crime they did. I also said earlier about how people are selected at random to die. How unfair is it that one person accused of 7 counts of rape dies sooner than one person accused of 210 counts of murder? (making this shiz up by the way.)I wouldn't trust a jury in my life for them to make my decisions, and nothing, and I mean nothing, should ever be included in society that you can kill someone as long as they did something bad. overall it's so stupid ya know? whats the reason why almost 20 states are now without death penalties? people need to consider this subject more as it may kill an innocent person. I didn't get my information or my claims from here, but this site is very interesting and I always found this topic intriguing. (https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/)

Shadow:

Did you type this out or is this copy and paste

bm717:

and yeah this topic and post made me sober so thanks dude (:

Shadow:

This large paragraph is suspicious, just saying.

Shadow:

Don't get mad for me asking (:

bm717:

I was typing on google docs because I have grammerly on my laptop and it annoys me cause I can't write without grammerly telling me I have wrong tense. I turned google docs autocorrect off. how dare you think this is not my original work smh.

Shadow:

sorry lol

bm717:

mhm well suck this paragraph up and enjoy

bm717:

death penalty is one of the subjects that I really enjoy talking about. I've always had like a passion sort of thing to change it when im older

bm717:

You have anything against it, or

Shadow:

Would you want me to explore my stance or let me explore your position?

bm717:

do whichever you believe in the most

Shadow:

Well, let me at least ask you this. Do you believe that crimes exist that are worthy of death?

bm717:

What does that mean lmao

Shadow:

Do you think we should give people the death penalty for certain crimes?

Shadow:

Consider rape and murder, for example

bm717:

Rape me pls

bm717:

I mean Bad crimes are indeed worth the death penalty. But given all the risks that come with it, it's better to stick with none.

Shadow:

What risks?

bm717:

I listed it out. To put it shortly, pentobarbitol is very expensive. Use of pentobarbitol leads to illegal uses and trade. People may be executed wrongfully. It's racially unbiased. It doesn't change the rate of crimes within a city People are sentenced to death at random or by a jury, which is not always unbiased. Money can be used to pay debts or change the outlook of america The last one I need to say about how people who die in death penalties all have different stories and if a raper dies faster than a murderer, it's not really fair.

bm717:

I'm voting 0 stars on grammerly

Shadow:

So in short, it's too expensive and that money can be used to better America, and the justice system is biased against African Americans which result in more deaths of them. The jury never decides if someone is to be given the death penalty, they just decide if he's guilty. The judge is the one who makes the call. But regardless, I would doubt that they would ever do it 'randomly.' This would leave them open to a pretty lawsuit. As for expenses, it is quite expensive to keep a man alive on death row. I don't know the numbers but that's worthwhile. I do agree that bias does exist within the justice system, but I am curious as to the statistics regarding that resulting in more black deaths.

bm717:

If you thinking of contradicting me, this is going to turn into long one.

Shadow:

(:

bm717:

But even then if the jury doesn't decide his outcome, the jury still decides if he goes on a path to die or to be free, ya know? And they do it very random. (https://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/opinion/sunday/the-random-horror-of-the-death-penalty.html)

bm717:

I actually checked and the death penalty pie chart states that white people and black people who die are just as about equal. But that still is weird, because black people are pretty much the minority, I guess.

bm717:

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Shadow:

Interesting

bm717:

So I searched some stuff up and it says that it takes anywhere from 31000 to 90000 per year to keep an inmate in jail. Whereas it takes about 2 million at most.

bm717:

Now that I see the information, it does kind of prove that maybe keeping someone as an inmate is maybe cheaper. But pentobarbitol is still very expensive.

bm717:

I'd rather have government pay for the poverty issues we have in the United States rather than use that money for poison for an inmate.

Shadow:

This may please you to hear, but this lines up with my position - which is that capital punishment is at the very least morally and theologically viable, but at the political level it is not. Basically, I don't trust the government when it comes to killing it's own citizens. I can smell a counter argument of war/self defense in there somewhere but /tired. Exploring the logistical level (cost and such) will require some research then weighing it against morality, which in my opinion would win any day.

bm717:

Also, the total cost of keeping someone in jail depends on what age and what state.

Shadow:

I could easily turn this into a 10-20pg paper lol

bm717:

In my opinion it shouldn't be accepted either way. I don't trust alot of things and I definitely don't trust the government either.

bm717:

Same

bm717:

I mean I said all of my reasons out and you said some of yours but it really isn't acceptable in any way

Shadow:

My current structure for my thesis is logistical/morality since money vs ethics is a common argument, then the ideological level, then theological level. Basically moving inward. This essay is kind of about introspection so I like this structure.

bm717:

I like the one about logistical and morality, as it is important to see things both ways.

dude:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @bm717 Rape me pls \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\)

bm717:

LMAOOOOO

bm717:

He ignored it like it never ever existed.

Shadow:

?

Shadow:

(:

bm717:

smh.

Shadow:

Smh what

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