need help using variation of parameters to solve simple D.E. y'+y=8e^(2x) need help using variation of parameters to solve simple D.E. y'+y=8e^(2x) @Mathematics
So by the variation of parameters method, we want to try and find a particular solution that is a linear combination c1.y1 + c2.y2 + .... + cn.yn where the cj are constants and the yn are functions that are the derivatives of terms on the right hand side.
In this case, there only one term on the RHS, e^(2x), and what's more its derivative is the same up to a constant.
okay so do you need to use the roots to find 1 equation first?
Hence the only term will need to try in the variation of parameters method is e^(2x); namely, try and find a solution of the form y = Ae^(2x)
There's the homogeneous solution as well; we'll come back to that.
That is, the solution of y' + y = 0; that is the homogeneous solution, call it yh (or sometimes it's called the complimentary solution yc).
Once we've found the particular solution yp, the general solution to the equation is the sum y = c.yh + yp
yh is easy with y' + y = 0. You've probably found it already; it's yh = e^(-x)
Now coming back to the particular solution ... plug in our general form of the answer y = Ae^(2x) into the inhomogeneous equation and derive an equation in A. You do that step; I'll wait a minute for you.
sorry I had to switch computers.... so you use the general answers Ae^(2x) take the derivative and plug it back into the equation and set it equal to 8e^(2x)?
i meant equation not answer
yes. With y = Ae^(2x), substitute this into the equation y'+y=8e^(2x) and solve for A
isn't that the same steps as the method of undermined coefficients? or do I just have them backwards
In a way undetermined coefficients is a special case of variation of parameters; I guess I've been advising you here to use that special case, especially as the equation is linear and first order.
Can you give me an example of using variation of parameters with a first order equation?
I need to solve the same equation using both methods but when I tried I basically use the same steps.
Are you suggesting we write y = u(x).e^(-x) and then solve for u?
I guess but it seems pointless since they are the same thing
We can do that if you want.
More or less; but let's just do it. It's actually not a bad exercise.
I just don't see what the difference is between the two approaches for this case
If y = u(x)e^-x, then y' = u' e^-x - u e^-x Hence y' + y = 8e^(2x) implies u' e^-x - u.e^-x + u.e^-x = 8e^2x => u' e^-x = 8e^2x => u' = 8e^3x => u = (8/3)e^3x + c => y = (8/3)e^2x + c.e^-x And this indeed is the general solution.
A third way to do it is with an integrating factor. That method would most closely imitate what I just wrote above.
Ohhhh okay i think I see the difference now
Thanks for your help!
Sure. I actually had never thought of using VOP with first order equations before, so I was interested to see how this worked out.
Pedagogically, this is not a bad exercise your professor is giving you.
yeah it was the simplest problem on the hw and it gave me the most trouble.
ok. Well, good luck with the rest.
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