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OpenStudy (anonymous):

What is the slope of y −x/3+ 2 = 0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

get y by itself? y - 1x/3 = -2 or y = (1/3)x - 2 Do you know the slope? m?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so the slope is 1/3 ?

myininaya (myininaya):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

excellent!

myininaya (myininaya):

good job and meverett nice work! :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thank you :)

hero (hero):

Yes, but explaining the process of how to find the slope should also be considered as well as ensuring understanding. FYI @ meverett

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

Hero, I don't know what your problem is with meverett, but feel free to keep it off of OpenStudy. It's evident in the interaction here that the relevant amount of information is presented, and it's not presented overly easily. Just enough is given to provide help. Could more be explicitly said, yes. If you want to provide that information, feel free to do that instead of armchair quarterbacking other people's help.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

I had a nice long look at your interactions on the question by zonk last night, and you were similarly combative and condescending instead of providing help to the original poster. Rather than trying to prove your superiority to other helpers, please feel free to actually help the people who need help.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

This is not the first time your attitude has proven unproductive and generally negative as others try to provide positive reinforcement, help, and teaching to question askers. Please consider this a request to stop doing that. If you want to discuss teaching methods, feel free to do so in separate threads, rather than lobbing armchair criticism during help sessions.

hero (hero):

I was only trying to help. I simply said that the explanations could be expressed more clearly and effectively. I didn't know it was a crime to provide such suggestions. If we're here to help each other, we should be free to help both students and tutors. When people have criticisms for me, I accept them and move on. If I were to report people who criticize me, you'd have hundreds of abuse reports to sort through. I will work on how I come across when I am giving advice to others. Please understand that it is advice and not criticism. Criticism is condescending. Advice is helpful. I will try to relay that I am giving advice and not crticizing anyone. I don't have a problem with meverett.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

I understand you may think that, but you often come off as criticizing rather than giving advice. That's what I'd prefer you stop. Advice is generally welcome, as long as it is positive. For better or worse, you should be aware that calling someone out directly is a good way to move from advice to criticism a lot of times. I can't explain the psychology behind that, it's just the way it seems to work :) My advice would be, consider posting some advice in OpenStudy Feedback and directing people to it in chat, and discuss there (since rules on question-only are generally more lax in OS Feedback). Or even create your own group for advice exchange and stuff from tutors—I'd personally love to see that.

hero (hero):

I think some people just can't take good advice.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

Actually hehe, I really really like the idea of a “tutoring best practices” or “teaching strategies” group. That would be awesome.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

So, you're right. But the interactions where I see people report abuse on you are interactions where I can absolutely see why they are upset.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

You may not mean to, but in these interactions you come off as condescending rather than helpful. It's never big things, it's just a sum of small word choices and addressing choices that make it seem that way.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

In particular, though, when a moderator steps in and suggests cooling down or otherwise mentions it might be a good idea to disengage, please do disengage. Moderators are here to be impartial and generally keep the peace, so if one of us feels the need to ask that you stop an interaction, we're not saying you're right or wrong, we're just saying the conversation is going in an unproductive direction and we'd rather it stop before it gets further.

hero (hero):

It's also how they respond too, not just me. I've given other people advice and they take it in stride. You only hear about the bad stuff because people report it. People don't report the good things I do to you so it's kinda a one sided thing.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

Of course! I don't doubt it :) You're a level 83, which is in no way easy. It's why you didn't hear me threaten to suspend you or anything. I know you're super-helpful—we all do.

hero (hero):

Well, yes, I would like to see a group created that would focus on advice about how to approach answering questions. I provided a few examples but you probably haven't seen them.

hero (hero):

I think this has a lot to do with the way open study can improve as well. I even mentioned ideas in that proposal I created.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

Have you already created such a group? If so, let me know the name, I'm joining it :)

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

And we'll get in touch with some of the other power users and send them over.

hero (hero):

I haven't created it yet, but I think it should be structured a little differently. I believe that tutors should be distinguished from students and tutors should be required to critique others. I believe that a standard should be set on the way solutions to questions should be presented. But that's probably too much for OS to handle right now.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

Yeah, I like the uniformity. Note that requirements like only questions in the left pane and all that are strictly for OpenStudy's main topic-based groups. A group like this would be moderated a bit differently for sure.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

I don't think students would necessarily participate in the group—I don't know that they'd be interested. And if they did have advice, it would be valuable advice.

hero (hero):

Maybe, ideas can be posted in the feedback group about forming tutor-led peer to peer critiquing group. It should be unique in nature like the feedback group currently is.

hero (hero):

Well,maybe critique is the wrong word

hero (hero):

On a side note, I like the changes that were made to OS recently.

OpenStudy (shadowfiend):

Great to hear! Please do kick off a post dedicated to that, I'd like to gauge interest. I think it can be fairly freeform, similar to OS Feedback like you said.

hero (hero):

Thanks for considering my suggestions. I'm glad we were able to end this on a positive note.

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