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OpenStudy (swissgirl):

Neemo

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

Like a is an empty set that means it contains noo elements

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes !

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

but like ik that the empty set symbol is sometimes considered like an element

OpenStudy (turingtest):

the empty set is a subset of all sets if I recall correctly

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

ya it is

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

like it can be a set that contains one element the empty set element

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes !

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

So ill give u the example here

OpenStudy (anonymous):

kk !

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

Find the number os elements in the set

OpenStudy (turingtest):

the empty set contains no elements, so it is not an element in itself

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

okkkkkk thanks

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

that is what i needed to know

OpenStudy (turingtest):

welcome :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It can be an element of another set ! for example A={∅}...the empty set is an element of A !

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

ohhh i seee

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

How many elements r in : \( {x \in R : x^2 = -1} \)

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

I would say 0 elements

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah !

OpenStudy (anonymous):

that's it ( I guess no !) !:) !

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

lol Thanks :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no ! I'm not talking about the medal ! I don't care about medals It's just a stupid button !

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

ikkkk lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I meant anything else to ask ?

OpenStudy (swissgirl):

nope not yet lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

kk ! you can ask me anytime you want ! C u later ! :)

OpenStudy (turingtest):

@Neemo can you site a reference? because my understanding is that the empty set is not an element because it has cardinality of 0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_set http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_an_empty_set_element_of_any_set_s the empty set is a *subset* of any set, but not an element of any set as far as I know

OpenStudy (anonymous):

kk I'll look for a reference ! But ... the empty set is also an element of the set of the subsets ......of any set !

OpenStudy (turingtest):

I see what you are saying Neemo, but the technicality is a bit confusing. I admit I have not studied set theory deeply. http://planetmath.org/FunctionsFromEmptySet.html

OpenStudy (anonymous):

:) :) this is driving me crazy too ! set theory is not yet completed ! there are a lot of unfinished task there.... so ...this answer . "The empty element is a subset of any set--the empty set is even a subset of itself. But it is not an element of every set; in particular, the empty set cannot be an element of itself because the empty set has no elements." is correct ! he (or she) said that It sn't an element of every set ! "just " a subset ! is correct ! in wikipidia's article ! The power set of the empty set is a set containing only the empty set: that's meam that the empty set is an element of "the power set" a box that contain only empty box is not empty ! I hate when I say that :) :) ! Clear now !

OpenStudy (turingtest):

Wow, still confusing, but a little more clear now. I think this is where the Franko-Zermelo revision of set theory gets messy. I guess it is still somewhat a work in progress as you say. Thanks!

OpenStudy (turingtest):

and I'm a "he" :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you're welcome anytime ! I didn't mean you ! who wrote the answer in wiki answer ! Nice to meet you anyway :) !

OpenStudy (turingtest):

likewise!

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