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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Solve the matrix equatin for x and y. ill attach the file. its number 12 on pg 42

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (phi):

are you doing question 12 on page 42?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes

OpenStudy (phi):

the 3 out front of the first matrix means multiply every number inside the matrix by 3 can you do that?

OpenStudy (phi):

you get 6 new numbers now subtract the 2nd matrix. that means top left of the 1st matrix (after being multiplied by 3) minus the top left number in the 2nd matrix: if you did it right you would see 3*3-2 =9-2 =7 notice that this matches the top left number in the answer matrix.

OpenStudy (phi):

you need algebra to do the top right numbers. what do you have so far?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so far i sfter multiplying the first matrix by 3 i got : 9 -2x+3] [2 -2x] 7 8 6 12 ] -[0 5 ]= 6 7 -y+3 6 ] [-2y -2] 0 8

OpenStudy (phi):

ok, you can multiply 2 numbers but you are adding for the variables If you had 2 x's and you tripled the number of x's (multiplied by 3) how many x's do you have?

OpenStudy (phi):

If it helps, think of x as something real like a cow, you have 2 cows, multiply by 3, how many cows? (for -2x, it does not quite make sense, but you get 3* -2x)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hmm no it doesn't. Is there another way to solve it because in this math book other similar problems are done like this.

OpenStudy (phi):

this is an important idea (multiplying 3* -2x) so it's worth getting it. to get the idea, let's think of it like this 3* -2x means the same thing as 3 * 4 (for example) : 4+4+4 but instead of 4 we have -2x: -2x + -2x + -2x can you get the answer?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

-6x?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok so hows would this be used in this

OpenStudy (phi):

maybe we should do an easier problem first 3* 1x: 1x+1x+1x or simple x+x+x= 3x or 3*2x= 2x+2x+2x (you have 2 x's add 2 more x's you get 4x's. add 2 more x's to get 6x) -6x is correct. (fixed typo)

OpenStudy (phi):

now fix where you multiplied 3* -y

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so then it would be -9y?

OpenStudy (phi):

3* -y is not -9y ( 3* -3y is -9y) here is another way to think of it: -y is short hand for -1*y so 3*-y is the same thing as 3*-1*y if you simplify, what do you get?

OpenStudy (phi):

you multiply the numbers, but leave the y alone.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh yea srry i still had the other way written in my paper i confused me sorry so it would -3y?

OpenStudy (phi):

yes -3y now look at the top right "number" in the first matrix. it is -6x now subtract (because we are subtracting the 2nd matrix) the top right number of the 2nd matrix this equals the top right number of the last matrix. can you write down the equation?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok so now i subtract the elements in the 1st matrix by the elements in the 2nd matrix? ifd so, i got: 7 -4x] 7 8 6 -1 ] = 6 7 -y 8 ] 0 8

OpenStudy (phi):

notice that all the pure number elements match. example, the top left 7 = top left 7 of the other matrix. (although I would check the middle row, right number, because -1 does not equal 7, you goofed there) I think it should have been 12-5=7 (not sure how you got -1)

OpenStudy (phi):

now let's concentrate on the top right -4x = 8 can you solve this? I would divide both sides by -4

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok i got x= -2 and y =0

OpenStudy (phi):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh and i see why i got - 1 one the second right number, its because i forgot to multiply 4 by 3 and after i did i got 12 then subtracted by 5 and now i have the corresponding element

OpenStudy (phi):

btw, notice that you only had to concentrate on the top left entries to find x, and ignore the rest of the matrix. so if I were doing this problem I would have said: 3* -2x - (-2x)= 8 and then solved for x.

OpenStudy (phi):

*top right

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok so you would just do the whole solving .

OpenStudy (phi):

I would just look at the entry with the x in it (top right), and looked at only that entry in the other matrices. (because the question asked only for x and y, not all the numbers)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok so could you give me another similar example so that i can try and see if i now understand it?

OpenStudy (phi):

try question 11, just before Q12

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok let me see what i get then.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok i got x=-3 y=1

OpenStudy (phi):

yes 2 * 2x = -12 4x= -12 x= -12/4 = -3 and 2*3 = 6y 6=6y or 6y=6 y= 6/6=1 and the bottom right does not give us an answer for y 2* -3y= -6y -6y= -6y or y=y or 1=1 true, but not helpful for finding what y is.

OpenStudy (phi):

You seem to be learning this, but you might need practice on the rules of algebra. just post questions to the site and people will help you if you are stuck.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok do you still have time to help me on 14?

OpenStudy (phi):

ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok so on 14 would the equation be the 1st matrix subtracted by the 2nd matrix =12?

OpenStudy (phi):

the hardest part is figuring out what they want done. they give costs for a full year. this year and next year. if we subtract next year's numbers minus this year's numbers we get the amount the price went up. I would do that first. that will be how much the price went up for the year. If we pay every month, divide by 12 to get how much it goes up per month

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok yea thats more common sense, so let me try that and see what i get.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok so i got : 54.8 108.6 5.5 16 -10.6 -25.5

OpenStudy (phi):

Is that the yearly difference? And where are the pennies (2 numbers to the right of the decimal point)

OpenStudy (phi):

subtract the 2 numbers, divide by 12, then round

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes i subtracted next year's matrix by this year's matrix and ok so use all those those numbers that i showed you and divide them all by 12 right?

OpenStudy (phi):

yes, but you have 54.8 for the top left number. I think it should be 780.36-725.52= 54.84

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok im doing this by calculator so i think its rounding by itself to the tenth's place do you know how take that off my TI-30XIIS texas calculator?

OpenStudy (phi):

maybe press 2nd (top left) then sci/eng then flo ? not sure.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh i got it now i pressed the fixed button and place it to have 3 decimals places

OpenStudy (anonymous):

let me correct all of them and tell you what i got.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok i got: 4.57 9.05 0.46 1.36 -0.88 -2.12

OpenStudy (phi):

ok except for 1.36

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh right it's 1.34

OpenStudy (phi):

yes.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok so that matrix is the solution for the problem right

OpenStudy (phi):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Alrigthy ,well THANK YOU VERY MUCH! Really appreciate your time in helping me :)

OpenStudy (phi):

yw

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I just learned this today and it advanced math 3 yet im taking math 2 so yea

OpenStudy (anonymous):

* i have

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i mean i have math 2 but were starting math 3

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