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OpenStudy (anonymous):
Implicit function: cos(6xu) = 2u + 7x
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
a) Calculate the derivative of u with respect to x.
u ' (x) = ??
b) Calculate the derivative of x with respect to u.
x ' (u) = ??
hartnn (hartnn):
u tried? what u got ?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
for u' i had: \[u'=\frac{ -7\sin(6xu) }{ 2 }\]
OpenStudy (anonymous):
which def is not right.
hartnn (hartnn):
cos(6xu) = 2u + 7x
-sin(6xu) (6xu)' = 2u' +7
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hartnn (hartnn):
apply product rule for (6xu)'
OpenStudy (anonymous):
would it by 6x * u = (6x)u'+6u
hartnn (hartnn):
yup. now isolate u'
OpenStudy (anonymous):
do i take my 2u' over to the right hand side?
hartnn (hartnn):
yes
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
i had: \[u'=\frac{ 2u'+7 }{ -\sin(6xu)(6x) }\]
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so then it's u'-2u'= what i just wrote (minus the 2u' on the top)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so it's \[-u'=\frac{ -7 }{ \sin(6xu)(6x) }\]
hartnn (hartnn):
u didn't isolate u'
OpenStudy (anonymous):
i thought i did?
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hartnn (hartnn):
-sin(6xu) ( (6x)u'+6u) = 2u' +7
-sin(6xu) (6x)u' + 6u (-sin(6xu)) -2u' =7
{-sin(6xu) (6x)-2}u'=7- 6u (-sin(6xu))
u' = {7+ 6u (sin(6xu))} / {-sin(6xu) (6x)-2}
just some algebraic manipulations
OpenStudy (anonymous):
these are my possible answers, i dont seem to see that one there even though it makes sense to me what you did.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
oh wait, those are the answers for part b.
hld one one sec
OpenStudy (anonymous):
OpenStudy (anonymous):
those are the possible answers for a
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hartnn (hartnn):
those are lots of options....
OpenStudy (anonymous):
the second attachment is the list of possible answers.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
for a
hartnn (hartnn):
i can see 4th option matching with our answer.....
hartnn (hartnn):
{-sin(6xu) (6x)-2}= -2{ 1+3x sin(6xu)}
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
they just have stuff factored out and they put the 1/2 on the outside of the equation. i see.
hartnn (hartnn):
did u get all steps ??
OpenStudy (anonymous):
yup! i wrote them all down. : ) so now i just do the same thing for part b but, i do it for x' and not u' ?
hartnn (hartnn):
yeah. u need to diff. again, now w.r.t u
OpenStudy (anonymous):
im still getting u' when i do out my derivative.
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hartnn (hartnn):
derivative of u =1
OpenStudy (anonymous):
should i write down x as x' and not one?
hartnn (hartnn):
yup, here x' is dx/du
and not dx/dx
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so now i have: \[-\sin(6xu)(6x)(6x')(u)=2+7x'\]
hartnn (hartnn):
cos(6xu) '
= -sin (6xu) (6xu)'
= -sin (6xu) (6x+6ux')
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
right, i just wrote it down weird lol.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so that =2+7x'
hartnn (hartnn):
yup, now algebraic manipulations.....
OpenStudy (anonymous):
-sin(6ux)(6ux'+6x)(-sin(6xu)-7x'=2
???
OpenStudy (anonymous):
prob not .. lol, this is the part i find the hardest because there's so many variables.
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hartnn (hartnn):
let a=-sin(6ux) (just temporarily)
a(6ux'+6x) = 2+7x
now try
hartnn (hartnn):
a(6ux'+6x) = 2+7x'
OpenStudy (anonymous):
a(6ux')+a(6x)=2+7x'
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so... -sin(6ux')-sin(6x)=2+7x'
hartnn (hartnn):
u still didn't isolate x'
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hartnn (hartnn):
a(6ux')+a(6x)=2+7x'
bring 7x' to left and 6ax to right
hartnn (hartnn):
then factor x' from left
hartnn (hartnn):
need help with that ?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
x'[a6u-7]=a6x+2
hartnn (hartnn):
x'[a6u-7]=-a6x+2
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
thats what i said lol.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so then i sub back in -sin(6ux)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
im not seeing my answer on the list of answers tho ..
hartnn (hartnn):
u just missed a minus....
x'[a6u-7]=-a6x+2
x' = {-a6x+2} / {[a6u-7]}
now put a=-.....
OpenStudy (anonymous):
sin(6ux)(6x)+2/-sin(6ux)(6u)-7
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hartnn (hartnn):
2nd option
hartnn (hartnn):
factor 2 from num., and - from denom.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ohh okY I see!!!
hartnn (hartnn):
:)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
thanks a lot, you're really helpful!
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hartnn (hartnn):
welcome ^_^