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OpenStudy (vshiroky):

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OpenStudy (anonymous):

hi cutie :DD

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

Do you know how to do this?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no :DD

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

@jim_thompson5910 Have you done this one?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

For the second column, it looks like you're using the formula z = (x - mu)/sigma where mu = 63 sigma = 12

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I'm not sure how to find the other columns though

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

Shoot those are the 2 I'm stuck on...

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

let me see what I can find

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

Thank you

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

My teacher was supposed to post a video, but didn't so now I have to rush to finish lol

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I hate when that happens

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I found this, but I'm not sure how useful it is http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3444174/table/i1949-8357-4-3-279-t01/

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

and I'm not sure if it's as simple as using that formula and then using the table

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

HMm I'm not sure how to figure out the sample size number whether its .2 and so forth

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

Wouldn't they give you the sample size?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

They should at least.

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

I'm sorry I mean estimated effect size

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I see. I'm not sure.

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

It says P(z) on something I have but I'm not sure which numbers I use

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what thing do you have?

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so some unknown function is taking an input of -0.75 and producing an output of 0.2

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

at this point, who knows what P(Z) is

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

Shoot

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

and the header of the second column should be X - mu

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

does it explain what P(Z) is? or how to find it?

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

Nope

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I've noticed that it may (not sure) be the area to the left of the z value

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

what does that mean?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

well the area to the left of 1.25 is approximately 0.894350226333145 and that matches up with what the last row is saying

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I'm noticing the other rows matching up as well when it comes to finding the area

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

How do you know it/s .89?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

oh I used a calculator

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you can use a calculator or a table like this one http://www.math.upenn.edu/~chhays/zscoretable.pdf

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

Can you help me with one more table?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I'll try

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

The red is what I did so far.. I think it's right

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I think you now have to find the area to the left of each value you got in column #2

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

to get the effect sizes

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

I answered those before realizing I needed the estimated where it's the .2 ands stuff lol but I think the first is right.. I just need help finding the second

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what do you mean "finding the second" ?

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

second column the one you did with the calculator

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

oh the "estimated effect size" column?

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

yepp

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

let's use the table http://www.math.upenn.edu/~chhays/zscoretable.pdf

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what is the area to the left of z = -1.13 ?

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

I am not sure how to know which one of those numbers to look at when I look at 1.13

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

look on page 1 look in the row that starts with -1.1 look in the column that has 0.03 this row/column combo forms the number -1.13

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

.1292

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

So that's the effect size (about 0.13 or 0.1) that's how they're getting a small effect size

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

Ok.. can you double check this real quick?

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I'm getting the same

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

Great. Thank you so much. Now I'm going to try and interpret those charts. :)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

Honestly I would get a second opinion since I'm not sure about how to find those effect sizes (but I might be correct in that line of thinking)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you're welcome

OpenStudy (vshiroky):

I'm going to email the teacher saying I was lost but I think it's right lol

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

sounds like a good idea

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