Question

Another questionable tkhunny suspension
I received a warning for proclaiming my love to a fellow openstudy user.
"Still not a dating site. Even if you are joking, this is NOT the place for you to establish romantic relationships."

I questioned this logic. If it was a joke, it certainly wasn't true love and I certainly wasn't treating this like an actual relationship. 2 minutes later...

"You were suspended for the following reason: This is NOT a dating site. Change your behavior rather than argue with valid warnings or suspensions."

Answer 1

Is this a joke? Where is the accountability for the moderation on this site?

Answer 2

Did you go back to the same behavior, or where you simply suspended for disputing the suspension with the moderator?

Answer 3

That's just it. I did nothing but dispute the warning in the math chat in the meantime

Answer 4

Hmm... Maybe private message would've been wiser.

Answer 5

Except he doesn't accept messages :/

Answer 6

Well, if you were warned once for the same behavior, you can't be warned again for the same behavior, or suspended for it, if you halt the current behavior. So I can't really say much about the situation.

Answer 7

here are the logs. I removed some of the naughtier bits (not my own messages ;o)

bibby: hey mod reading this 1:02 am Delete

bibby: you possess a rational faculty, attempt to apply it

AJLee5986: ok back

AJLee5986: what's up guys? :)

bibby: "Still not a dating site. Even if you are joking, this is NOT the place for you to establish romantic relationships."

AJLee5986: ......o.....k.....

bibby: how is this NOT the place to establish a relationship if it's a joke

bibby: that doesn't make any sense

kohai: It IS the place to establish it

kohai: Especially if it's a joke

kohai: ;p

AJLee5986: what's going on?

VoshiNova: Me and kohai are dating

kohai: wat

AJLee5986: oh

inkyvoyd: bibby

inkyvoyd: is tkfunny at it again

Answer 8

I just realized I didn't make any sense

Answer 9

Maybe he was... confused...?

Answer 10

@bibby well first i dont think its a great idea to be posting the users names in public

Answer 11

and second well try not to joke or do any actions involving a online relationship please take a look at this post http://openstudy.com/updates/5411befce4b08b11f130b032

Answer 12

I think it would be most accurate to say tkhunny acted in a stricter manner than most moderators, the warning is valid (in my honest opinion), however the suspension I do not know. There are some moderators who are tolerant of jokes, and things and allow it to slide and there are some that are strict and do not. The chat is public, so making sure that everyone gets the joke is a little bit hard meanwhile being suspended by the joke easier. (The Code of Conduct sadly does not exempt jokes being spendable.)

"You were suspended for the following reason: This is NOT a dating site. Change your behavior rather than argue with valid warnings or suspensions."

The main question is did tkhunny suspend you for repeating the joke or just because you questioned the warning?

Answer 13

I said this earlier. I didn't repeat the joke. I contested the mod and asked him to "attempt to apply his rational faculty". Then I said that I wasn't being serious when I said I loved her. Neither of the parties in question online date.

Answer 14

If what you say is the truth, then the suspension was not warranted in my view. Maybe ask @tkhunny why for the suspension?

Answer 15

“ you possess a rational faculty, attempt to apply it”

Hmmm… So your idea was that insulting the moderator was the way to get them to soften up on you? ;)

Answer 16

I'm something of an openstudy outlaw. Very caustic personality. I have a history of not being cooperative. I blame my mother :(

Answer 17

Blame's a good way to avoid changing yourself ;)

Answer 18

But my point was that ya can't really be surprised that after insulting a moderator, you got another warning hehe.

Answer 19

Words of wisdom I received back in the 2nd grade.

I recognize that my behavior was questionable, I just don't see the point in the suspension after the warning. His behavior is being questioned, not mine.

That wasn't a warning the second time. It was a suspension.

Answer 20

It's counter productive to warn me for something, and then suspend me for it after I complain about the warning

Answer 21

It's not really counter-productive, no. It might seem unfair, I suppose. Keep in mind suspensions are tied to the Code of Conduct, which explicitly says:

“If [a moderator contacts you], listen to what they have to say and be polite.”

Should the justification have been clearer? Perhaps. But the suspension was a justified decision (whether or not another moderator would have given it is mostly irrelevant—there's always been some leeway for interpretation there, and some folks are more lenient than others). If you assume the strictest interpretation, you'll be just fine.

Answer 22

I've learned some things and will apply this knowledge in my next encounter with moderators. Until next time, thank you and have a great day!

Answer 23

Glad that helped; likewise have a wonderful day :)

Answer 24

Going to go ahead and close the question since it seems like it's been handled.

Answer 25

Right before that warning I see a report for:
bibby: is your mom monitoring your penis
in chat.

Answer 26

Ah, yes, the case has been closed. Good job detective Antonio.

Answer 27

dang mccormick :/

Answer 28

Well, it is the on thing I saw. Dunno. May have been more to the chat.

Answer 29

Yeah. There was a context to that. It was inappropriate nonetheless

Answer 30

It is also the case that repeat offenders and admitted outlaws are judged more harshly than one-time, mostly careless offenders. There is plenty of leeway for the innocent and harmless. There is little leeway for what appears to be, by your own admission, deliberate rejection of reasonable rules approved and accepted by you when you created your account. In other words, why don't you just deliberately choose to follow the rules you said you would follow? This will solve ALL your objections and you will never again require of yourself to question the judgment of a moderator. It really is not as difficult as you are making it. Consider integrity and morality to be higher priorities than what you claim to be an uncontrollable pathology.

Answer 31

Here we have real people with real academic accomplishments who seem to agree with me. Listen carefully. Maybe you can disagree with the religious aspects of the video, but you can apply it to any moral influence.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=708933815819592