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OpenStudy (anonymous):

my opinion

OpenStudy (anonymous):

On my opinion I can't really say that my religion is the right one in respect for others I bealive that there is a God and he will come one day and he will take with those who have followed what the word says no matter what you have done in life if u repent and stay true we all sin and have flaws but he will measure our heart the kindness and our intentions God bless

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I also think if you have a good heart and repent and of your sins God will forgive you. What religion are you?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

im a christian @xo.minnie.xox

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay, I was just wondering

OpenStudy (anonymous):

What do you bealive in? @xo.minnie.xox

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I am a Jehovahs Witness. So I believe in Jehovah God and Jesus and Satan and all that. But my religion does not believe in Hell..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh so lets say someone did not follow what the bible said and live a life full of sins were do they go? @xo.minnie.xox

OpenStudy (anonymous):

lived*

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well we believe Hell is not a fiery place of torment because God is love and that wouldnt make sense to torture people if you are love right? So "Hell" is just a grave. They would stay in their grave.

OpenStudy (dejmccray):

Jesus described at as they would be in a deep sleep

OpenStudy (anonymous):

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death. Revelation 21:8 God is love but he is also consuming fire

OpenStudy (anonymous):

http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/who-goes-to-hell/#?insight [search_id]=fbc458d7-a853-4721-acc8-40f934afff9b&insight[search_result_index]=0 This had some answers if you would like to check it out?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i really disagree with something it says but what you are saying is not completely wrong as u may know the first death is for example a car accident you die and your soul goes to a place of rest the second death is when the lord comes and judges us for what have we done in earth thats when he decides if you go up or down hell is the second death

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Which part did you disagree with? What I believe...only 144,000 people will go to heaven. The people who did not have a kind heart will stay in their grave or "Hell" The people who did have a good heart but are not a part of the 144,000 will later on be resurrected and put in Paradise Earth...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

lol with all your respect with all the people in this world only 144,000 will go to heaven? nah not really absolutely more people will go to hell than to heaven but there is no exact number on how many will go and I'm shire its way more than that and earth will not be paradise after the things that are gonna happen

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Revelation 7:4 says "And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel" Revelation 14:1-3 1-Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. 2-I heard a sound coming out of heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; and the sound that I heard was like singers who accompany themselves by playing on their harps 3- And they are singing what seems to be a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders, and no one was able to master that song except the 144,000, who have been bought from the earth. Bible proof

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The book of Revelation is a highly symbolic. Because of this fact, many false religionists have attempted to exploit the message of the narrative to their own theological ends. The Apocalypse has become a happy hunting ground for some religious cultists who seek biblical support for their peculiar doctrines

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Twice in this book, mention is made of a group consisting of 144,000. In chapter 7:1ff John heard of 144,000 (12,000 each from twelve different Israelite tribes) servants of God who had been sealed on their foreheads. They were thus obviously redeemed people.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Also, the apostle saw a “great multitudewhich no man can number” out of every nation. These too were redeemed individuals who had been made white in the Lamb’s blood (v. 14). They had victoriously triumphed over tribulation, and they served God continuously in his temple.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20131101/who-goes-to-heaven/#?insight [search_id]=92565a53-b634-4407-b78b-5f1f82e5391c&insight[search_result_index]=0 Read this article on Heaven?

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Actually I find it strange you quote Revelation 14 chapter one, in the version your using it say's "the Lamb", if you read it in the KJB or the Rheims you'll find it say's "a Lamb" . This change is very significant to me and I use it to check versions. Frankly I correlate chapter 14 with the Beast in chapter 13 and the 144,000 may be different the previously mentioned in Revelation.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

@xo.minnie.xox , don't rely on what the Watchtower is teaching you; back up what you believe with the bible. You call yourself a Christian, as does your organization? Back it up with the only book that should deem you as such; the bible.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Our watchtower is not the only thing that we use! In our watchtowers after sentences it DOES have the scriptures to look up to back up what it is stating

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

But they are taken out of context! and/or they use their OWN translation if the original quote cannot be taken out of context.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

When you take something out of context, it loses ALL of its credibility.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Have you read any of our watchtowers? Then researched the scriptures? Because when I do so, I do not think they are taken out of context!!!!!!!!

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

And, yes, I have, in fact. On any of the three topics that I shall point out below, I bet I could find how the JWS takes the bible out of context: 1) Salvation 2) Hell 3) Jesus Christ's Deity (this being the most important)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Whats wrong in our beliefs about those topics? And if you could show me in the bible where is says what you are saying, that would be great but if you cant just explain.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Ooh, okay, so, salvation, how one goes into heaven is by faith alone, John 3:16. Regarding the topic of hell and the lake of fire (meaning there WILL be eternal torment), Revelation 20:10-15. Christ is God himself, he himself says it, in a very direct manner, 8:58.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Salvation- (Revelation 21:3-5)With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” 5 And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful and true.” http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201301/what-is-paradise/#?insight [search_id]=c1fd46e8-d2d0-4e85-a89b-b7f4b38151b4&insight[search_result_index]=4 For the non-144,000 Psalms 16:10 says " For you will not leave me in the Grave. You will not allow your loyal one to see the pit." && Acts 2:27 because you will not leave me in the Grave, nor will you allow your loyal one to see corruption. Hell- God does not even contemplate eternal torment. The idea that he would punish people in hellfire is contrary to the Bible’s teaching that “God is love.”—1 John 4:8 which says "Whoever does not love has not come to know God, because God is love." http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20091101/myth-the-wicked-suffer-in-hell/ && Ecclesiastes 9:10 says " Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going." NOT A FIERY PLACE OF TORMENT! Job 14:13 says O that in the Grave you would conceal me, That you would hide me until your anger passes by, That you would set a time limit for me and remember me! Jesus && God- John 10:36 says do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?" How can he be God if he refers to himself as Gods son? John 11:4 But when Jesus heard it, he said: “This sickness is not meant to end in death, but is for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified through it.” Matthew 26:39 says And going a little way forward, he fell facedown, praying: “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.” he says My father again! Mark 12:29 says Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. Not himself! http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20090401/is-jesus-god/#?insight [search_id]=b0359a6a-62be-4008-945c-a7791570b93f&insight[search_result_index]=0 Also http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/is-gods-name-jesus/#?insight [search_id]=b0359a6a-62be-4008-945c-a7791570b93f&insight[search_result_index]=2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Sorry I just wrote you a book lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Also John 1:18 says No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him. and Jesus was on Earth for a period of time, so obviously people would have HAD to seen God

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Wow, I just can't believe the ridiculousness of this. When Christ calls himself "the Son of God" or "the Son of Man", that is a prophecy from the Old Testament regarding the messiah; the messiah was called "the Son of Man" and "the Son of God". What is funny is that a couple of verse before John 10:36, at John 10:32-33, it reads: " Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Furthermore, you haven't refuted any one of the quotes I provided from the bible.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

This is the way the Godhead is: Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and the Father are all 3 separate entities, they are 3 different persons, but they all are ONE God. Each persons is 100% God. I don't know how that works out because I am a mere human being, but it would make sense that a human being can't understand entirely who God is.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

31 Once again the Jews picked up stones to stone him. 32 Jesus replied to them: “I displayed to you many fine works from the Father. For which of those works are you stoning me?” 33 The Jews answered him: “We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy;+ for you, although being a man, make yourself a god.” 34 Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’?*+ 35 If he called ‘gods’+ those against whom the word of God came—and yet the scripture cannot be nullified— 36 do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?+ 37 If I am not doing the works of my Father, do not believe me. 38 But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works,+ so that you may come to know and may continue knowing that the Father is in union with me and I am in union with the Father.”+ 39 So they tried again to seize him, but he escaped from their reach.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

So, when Jesus calls to the Father, what is the issue?

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Minnie, good, now compare THAT quote to what the KJV says exactly at John 10:33 "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Don't you see? The bible that they give you is WRONG. They mistranslated that part on PURPOSE so the JW doctrine makes sense.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The Jews are saying that to him. He is not saying he himself is god.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Because GOD is the one who put him on Earth. Who made "virgin" Mary have him. He did that in the womb? l

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

For a moment, just disregard that. Just for a moment. In John 10:30, it reads "I and my Father are one." And that is from Jesus Christ himself.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

He is saying that he is God, according to the KJV, and in the version provided by the Watchtower, it MAKES it say otherwise.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Actually it says exactly that.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

From John 10:30-33?

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

From what you posted, and from what I posted, are different.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

They are not the same. At the end of John 10:34, yours read "...a god", and the KJV reads "God".

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

That minor change makes ALL the difference in the world.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

” 34 Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

@xo.minnie,xox ,please, read the KJV of the bible.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law,‘I said: “YOU are gods”’ Our 1984 version says the same^. And I will read the KJV but we already use it so I do not think it would make any difference maybe you should try reading our bible http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Yes, he is, once again, referring to the Old Testament, and in the old testament, when the Jews are called "gods", it means "judges". Jesus is showing them their disbelief, by basically saying "You all are judges, being able to know what is right and wrong according to the bible, does not the Law and prophets say that I'm God?"

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

You see, back in Jews customs, when anyone was to call themselves God, that was blaspheme, which was punishable by death. If Christ was just calling himself a judge, why would they want to kill him? He didn't call himself a judge, is why, and they knew it too; he called himself God himself.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

They wanted to stone him because he made himself equal to "God", not "a god".

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Acts 2:32 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses. So Jesus/God resurrected himself?

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

"a god" meaning a judge, in this context.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Yes! You're getting it; John 10: 17-18 "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

If it doesn't make sense, minnie, its okay; God is so much more higher than us; you can't tell a 2d object how the 3d world is; they will not be able to comprehend it.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Even from the bible, it says (I'm paraphrasing) the things that God understands, we don't understand.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm sorry I am just not believing Jesus is God!!!!! If I put in my search bar on the JW website there are SO many articles && scriptures that prove that they are 2 diff.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

There is 6112 articles/scriptures that prove otherwise

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

@xo.minnie.xox , of course the JW don't believe that Jesus isn't God; that is THEIR doctrine. Me, and several others, believe what the bible says.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

@xo.minnie.xox , All those articles mean nothing; I've done research on the JWS for a paper, and, when reading those articles, I was able to disprove every claim they made by using the bible.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

http://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=is%20jesus%20god&s=0#?insight [search_id]=262d0764-0398-4904-8f0d-e2402954795d

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Such as?

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Obviously, I didn't read them all, but no doubt they would have said the saaame thing, the same passage, the same verse.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Even the ones that I didn't read that I'm now reading, they're all the same; they take parts of the bible out of context, as they would in John 10:33 (But they use their OWN bible, and not the real bible).

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Like in this one http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-gods-son/#?insight [search_id]=693a414e-fe3c-42d4-bcb6-517e527aced5&insight[search_result_index]=1 , when they say that Adam and Jesus are a like because they both are a "son of God", that is straight up a lie; Jesus is the "Son of God" because that is an old testament prophecy. They don't tell you that though. Why? Because they don't want you to know the truth; they don't want you to read the bible.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

John 1:49 clearly says "Na·than′a·el responded: “Rabbi, you are the Son of God, you are King of Israel.”

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Yes, I'm not denying that they called him the "Son of God". When they address him as that name, they are referring to an Old Testament prophecy in which the Messiah would be called the "Son of God".

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Luke said that Adam was the "son of God", not the "Son of God", there is a difference, just as there is a difference in LORD and Lord.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Luke 4:8 In reply Jesus said to him: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah* your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”. He says Jehovah your God not himself.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

@xo.minnie.xox , are you getting this passage from www.jw.org ? Or from the Watchtower's translation?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The bible @JonnyVonny

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Yes, but what translation, is my question.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The New Worlds Translation Of The Holy Scriptures...2013 version

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Do you know who Jesus was talking to when he said that?

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

This is what matters; this is called context.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Satan...

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Correct, now, if Jesus was talking to a bunch of people calling him God, ONLY THEN does it really mean that Jesus is denying his deity; being God himself. However, he is talking to Satan, and Satan is bending scripture to tempt Christ to sin, and Jesus, in response, also quote scripture, rebuking and rebutting him.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Please, now, refute this passage from John 8:58 "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

I meant to put John 8:59 "Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by."

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

The reason why they wanted to stone him, is because he made himself equal to God.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

"Equal to God" does not mean he IS god.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

a) What you said doesn't mak sense, but more importantly b) when Christ says "I Am", it is the same "I Am" from Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.".

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

So, in context, Jesus is saying he is God.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

.-. So God said to Moses: “I Will Become What I Choose* to Become.”And he added: “This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘I Will Become has sent me to you.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

That just doesn't make any sense; I AM is obviously a name; just as LORD is a name.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Furthermore, what you said implies that God changes with time, which is biblical.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

But our bible says I will

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Yes, yes, that is what I'm trying to get at. The bible that the Jehovah's Witnesses give you is translated wrong, really wrong. And due to the fact that it is translated wrong, the meaning of the text is TOTALLY different.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

It is your choice, it always has been your choice. You can either believe what they give you, that ill translated version of the bible, or you can read the bible itself, the KJV preferably; it is the most accurate that we have.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

For trinity

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Think about this way though. You use the KJV for your religion correct?

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

No, if you were to translate the greek/hebrew text, it would accurately match that to the KJV, not the Watchtower translations.

OpenStudy (jonnyvonny):

Think of it this way; which one has it most nearly translated correctly: the KJV, or yours?

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