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OpenStudy (karatechopper):

How to find degrees if cos or sin theta is undefined?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

asymptote, i think

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

the domian of sin and cos functions is all real numbers.. so could you elaborate on what you mean by undefined ? :)

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

undefined = 1/0

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

Do you agree that if we tried to graph those as triangles, it wouldn't work?

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

And even if cosine=x 1/0 is not a point.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

I think I got you now

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

sin(90) = opposite / hypotenuse = how to see this in triangle ? thats the question right ?

OpenStudy (gorv):

well sin only give value between -1 and 1

OpenStudy (gorv):

and if angle id undefined thn its value will oscillate between -1 and 1

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

sort of . but you can't nothing can be zero, thus it has to be a point.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

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OpenStudy (karatechopper):

but if cos=1/0 x=1/0 there is no such point.

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

If we wanted to graph what we had for cos. It would be 1 adjacent and 0 hypotenuse

OpenStudy (gorv):

\[-1\le cosx \le 1\]

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

how.

OpenStudy (gorv):

it is not possible

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

are you simply basing it off of the unit circle?

OpenStudy (gorv):

u need to have 3 side to form a triangle

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

cos is undefined. how can it be defined by that restriction you placed gorv?

OpenStudy (gorv):

well its standard value

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

exactly what I'm saying. Is undefined sin theta going to result in an undefined answer as well

OpenStudy (gorv):

cos give maximum value =1 and min value =-1

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

ok.

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

So?

OpenStudy (gorv):

wait

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

cos is still undefined.

OpenStudy (gorv):

u r saying one side of triangle =0??

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

thats not possible.

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

but thats how it shows.

OpenStudy (gorv):

hypotenuse=0 means there is one side of triangle =0

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

i understand zero can not be a side. Thus I am saying the answer lies within a point

OpenStudy (gorv):

you tellme what is max value cos can give ??

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

we want to extend sin and cos beyond 90 degrees which is clearly not possible as you're saying if we live inside a triangle because you can never have two right triangles in a triangle

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

1 on a unit circle.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

exactly! we extend the domain(/definition) of sin and cos to ALL real numbers using unit circle

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

why?

OpenStudy (gorv):

1/0 is outside the unit circle and cos can not go outside this circle

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

ok.

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

oh.

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

so we have to extend it.

OpenStudy (gorv):

u can use any value of theta it will give you value on or inside the unit circle

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

extend what ?

OpenStudy (gorv):

so cos is bounded to unit circle

OpenStudy (gorv):

we can not extend it

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

you said undefined is out of unit circle cos can not go outside of unit circle so is it our job to make it go outside?

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

So wouldn't the answer be undefined?!

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

i'm still lost a bit. I'm sorry yall.

OpenStudy (gorv):

when 1 litre water bottle can hold only i litre of water how u can make it adjust more water

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

On unit circle, we define sin and cos like below : sin = y coordinate cos = x coordinate

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

you can't.

OpenStudy (gorv):

that is same with cos and sin

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

ok.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

so for which specific angle are they undefined ?

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

let's say cos.

OpenStudy (gorv):

it will not take any value outside

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

cos theta

OpenStudy (gorv):

like you said 1/0 cos=1/0=base/hypotenuse

OpenStudy (gorv):

is it possible that hypotenuse =0???

OpenStudy (perl):

we dont have to use triangles to define cosx and sin x

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

for cos theta?!

OpenStudy (karatechopper):

no gorv its not.

OpenStudy (gorv):

yeahhh

OpenStudy (perl):

in geometry it doesnt make sense to ask what is cos (obtuse angle) , since cos theta is defined only for angles between 0 and 90 degrees

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