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OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

You have a tube containing 10^2 bacteria. You have taken out 10^2 bacteria. How many bacteria are left in the tube ? A) approximately 10^7 B) approximately 10^6 C)approximately 10^5 D)approximately 10^9

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

@thomaster

OpenStudy (anonymous):

are you sure that's your entire question?

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

yeah !!! definitely

OpenStudy (poopsiedoodle):

Well, I'm not too great at bio, but I'm gonna guess it's either B or C. I think @nincompoop is a bio major tho, so maybe he can help when he's on.

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

but how can you say that option B or C may be correct ??

OpenStudy (poopsiedoodle):

Well, even considering exponential growth, it doesn't seem reasonable that you would get 1000000000 out of 100 unless you wait for a considerably long time, so there goes D, and same for 10000000 which would be A. Again though, I'm just guessing :p

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

yeah...this is general mathematics. So,why doesn't the option A and D may correct ???

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

@poopsiedoodle

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

@Abhisar please help me... !!!

Miracrown (miracrown):

You have a tube containing 10^2 bacteria, then you take out 10^2. It wants to know how many are left after that? Are you sure that is the exact question? because based on that ... it would seem like the answer is 10^2 - 10^2 = 0

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

yeah!!! the first reaction i mean my first answer would be zero(0) but when i read options,there is nothing like ZERO in options. :P

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

we just apply MATHEMATICS @Miracrown but this is a BIOLOGY QUESTION !!! :)

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

lolz....anything an happen

OpenStudy (abhisar):

Considering it to be biology, it still looks incomplete. There is no mention of time.

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

???

Miracrown (miracrown):

I completely agree with you, and that is definitely the question? @mayankdevnani

Miracrown (miracrown):

The exact phrasing of the question I mean

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

this is the question of KVPY 2008 question no.48

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

@Abhisar

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I agree with all that's been said, but @mayankdevnani just because this is a biology question doesn't mean we are suddenly in a different universe. Frankly seeing the question, I am in kind of disbelief. There is no mention of the kind of bacteria nor how much time has elapsed since. Not all bacteria grow at the same rate.

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

but can you give a IDEA how to solve this question :- 1) If time is not included 2)if time is included

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

@Abhisar ^^^^

Miracrown (miracrown):

Yea like I said before no correct answer choice If there was something before that said something like: "The bacteria grow at a rate of which allows them to double every hour." If a tube with 10^2, and you take 10^2 out a day later, how many are left But based on that question, It seems to me like there is no correct answer choice

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

but there is no BONUS in question !!

Miracrown (miracrown):

If time is not included, the answer is undoubtedly 10^2 - 10^2 = 0 If there were a time element, then you would first calculate how many bacteria there were from start up to the moment you take some out

OpenStudy (abhisar):

\(A = Pe^{kt}\) We use the above formula to find the growth in a bacterial culture assuming the growth to be exponential. A=Final number of bacteria P=initial number t=time k=growth constant.

Miracrown (miracrown):

10^2 * e(rt) and then subtract out 10^2

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

what about GROWTH CONSTANT ??

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If time is not included, you basically are just guessing. As you don't know what kind of bacteria, their rate of growth, their stage of growth, whether they have any special feature associated with the bacteria. And you don't even know how much time has passed. Even if you have time, you are basically still guessing because of all of that. But I would use A = Pe^(kt) if time is all we have.

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

i mean what is the value of GROWTH CONSTANT ???

OpenStudy (abhisar):

It depends on the culture.

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

oh !!!

Miracrown (miracrown):

Yes, @abhisar - that would be consistent with the what I said before about how we would approach it if there were a time component. The amount at time t is equal to the starting amount multiplied by e to the power of the growth rate times time.

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

but in this question,the answer which is given by KVPY is option B)10^6

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh I just realized from reading other people's responses that A=Pe^(kt) you would still need to know the growth constant. lol sorry about that.

Miracrown (miracrown):

but the problem is in this question there is no mention of time or a growth rate

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

are they apply any APPROXIMATION METHOD ??

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

http://www.purplemath.com/modules/expoprob2.htm somewhat like questions you all say about

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

i have a question :- IS THERE ANY APPROXIMATION METHOD? i mean consider time=1 s ,k=1 etc. something like this to reach the CORRECT ANSWER(option B)

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

@Abhisar @Miracrown @1DEA

Miracrown (miracrown):

Well, unless there is more to the question on another page or something This is just a mistake, because based on the information they provided us. The answer is clearly 0... maybe they "meant" something else which would provide an answer of 10^6 How much is left? That has to be 0

Miracrown (miracrown):

I could think of one if you would want to see an example

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

please !!

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

think fast FAST AND FURIOUS

OpenStudy (anonymous):

honestly, from I know (I studied biochemistry and molecular biology in college). No there is no approx. method for a generic bacteria. There are approximations used to figure out roughly when to check/harvest bacteria, based on the species of bacteria. But other than that I have not heard of such a thing. Has anyone heard of any approx. method?

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

so @Miracrown @1DEA and @Abhisar finally,there is no way to reach option B and we can say simply that QUESTION IS WRONG !

Miracrown (miracrown):

Here's one: Bacteria grow with a rate constant of 4.6 Initially, there are 10^2 After 2 hours, you remove 10^2 How many are remaining at this point in time right after you take those 10^2 out? So first, we need to figure out how many bacteria are there before we take any out Use A=Pe^(rt) What do you get?

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

thank you guys for helping me in VERY CRUCIAL TIME !! @Miracrown @1DEA @Abhisar

Miracrown (miracrown):

lol, yw :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

not a problem :)

OpenStudy (abhisar):

You're most welcome

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