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@Librarian
@Abhisar
@Donblue22
@natsent06
@Just_one_last_goodbye

Answer 1

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Answer 2

If you weren't tagged can you leave. Please and thank you very much :)

Answer 3

Ok.

Answer 4

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Answer 5

Ok guys we need to some things like we discussed in the meeting. Me or Josh will make the survey, and we need to assign shifts and where we will be located. Ex. : Don is in math chat and Abhisar is in English.

Answer 6

hello there

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@Joel_the_boss

Ok sounds great Joel and thank you all for showing up I am very proud that you all showed up to the meeting.

- The Librarian, Joshua

Answer 8

Like Preetha said, which I know none you have any issues with were going to need to be respectful and not be mean. There's no I in team, so one little mistake could hurt OSSF as a hole. Another thing Pm Preetha the mods you most comfortable talking to and are willing to report a user to.

Answer 9

Another thing will be not to tell everyone/Brag about this meeting or anything else w=that has to do with this group. We are underground so we work on the low. No open threats just warnings. Don't say what you could do, just do it. Were also going to need more member as you all know. If you know any one who is responsible and very mature. Tell them to PM me.

Answer 10

Ok, i wasn't able to listen the whole thing, and there is one question i wanna ask....y do we need a recognition to do the above thing...i mean we can do this without the OSSF tag as a normal user...then y OSSF ?

Answer 11

f a situation doesn't get handle by a mod and is getting to the point where it can no longer be controlled. We move in and we all report that user. So he can get the suspension. Don't Report them if there not doing anything Wrong.

Answer 12

Like ?
I am not getting it...hw can a situation can't be handled by a mod but can be handelled by a group ?

Answer 13

because if enough people report someone i think it will automatically does something but i forgot what it was called

Answer 14

It works like this, one report doesn't do anything. But eventually those reports stack up and get you a community suspension. If there is a user that's over the top and extremely disrespectful and extra trolly, we all report him and our number will get him the suspension. And when he comes back we try to get him to realize what he did was wrong and convince him to join us.

Answer 15

In my opinion, Instead of this, we should talk about elevating powers of some selected users, like elevating powers of ambassadors...like a demi-Mod, so that they can really become helpful.

Answer 16

brb got to go tell someone to back off soeone elce in a chat

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The basic problem ryt now is lack of active mods, even if mods are active they don't respond at the rate in which they are supposed to. So in my opinion, number of mods should be increased or there should be an elevation in powers of other selected users like ambassadors or something like that.

Answer 18

So, it would be better to focus on it rather than trying to create a whole new thing.....

Answer 19

just saying...that's my opinion..

Answer 20

@Abhisar Like she said, she was considering giving us the power to delete questions and remove inappropriate comments.

Answer 21

ohh...i didn't hear that..

Answer 22

Users will report someone if they feel offended by another user or if they see someone clearly breaking the CoC. There is absolutely no need to form some kind of vigilante party to group-suspend someone. There have been groups like these in the past and they all ended in a group feeling all mighty to have the power to suspend someone. They all help eachother suspend someone. At first it will go the right way, but after some time members of the group will neglect to read in on the conversation and just blindly agree with the rest of the group.

Every single group ended up suspending people who did not agree, and who stood in their way. Forcing the mods to suspend those groups.

Please save yourself the trouble, the moderators are perfectly able to handle situations on the site and we most certainly do NOT need vigilante parties to take matters into their own hands.

We have spoken to the administrators about giving trusted ambassadors the power to moderate the chat or certain assigned sections. These plans however are merely in early stages of development so don't expect anything very soon.

Abhisar is absolutely right. We do need more moderators. But forming vigilante groups will only cause problems after a while, trust me I've seen it happen multiple times and they were all convinced it would work like you currently are.

Answer 23

Can we all talk somewhere else this type of thing should not be public.

Answer 24

i agree librarian

Answer 25

@Joel_the_boss

The name of the form any ideas?

My thought: OSSF Registration Form

Answer 26

@thomaster You never gave us a chance :P Lol and of course we will all need to discuss and agree on one thing. Were not just going to be like. "Oh hes cursing and bullying, lets get him suspended!". Were going to look at ho it all started and see whos responsible. I think if the user who didn't start the fight, they should only get a small cool down break. But as for the other user they will receive the same but we will take not of there name and check on them frequently to see if there only doing it to mess with people and make this place worse. So group reporting will only happen if we get permission from a moderator.
And @Librarian I think it's important if we discus this with a mod because then we can get direct feedback.

As for the name of the fourm idk Just "OSSF Registration."

Answer 27

if you guys want @Librarian and @Joel_the_boss ill make the google survey for new OSSF recruits

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@just_one_last_goodbye

I have it covered (= Thank you though @just_one_last_goodbye

Answer 29

What is the point of asking for a moderators permission? The mod could easily handle the situation better than a group can.
Remember that a group suspension lasts 24 hours, when someone breaks the rules and we decide to suspend them, it's usually a lower time. With group suspension you only have 1 options, moderators have many more, like kicking, warning, deleting inappropriate content and of course suspending for a variable amount of time.

I have experience with groups working together to community suspend trolls, spammers and users failing to abide by the code of conduct. I approved at first but they were way too enthusiastic and soon enough it was raining reports and community suspensions.

The result: we had to fix all the damage by reinstating many accounts because they were falsely suspended, and cleaning our email inboxes (as we all get an email for every report and every suspension). By group suspending a user with 5 users you will send about 400 emails...

The best way to deal with people breaking the CoC is just reporting individually or PM a moderator. If you start community suspending people we will have to read hundreds of log files to figure out if the suspension was legitimate.

To summarize it succinctly: you will just deliver the moderators more work...

Answer 30

np just let me know if i can lend a hand on anything ^_^

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@just_one_last_goodbye

Ok I might need your help soon I will message you (=

Answer 32

You guys have anything to say in response to @thomaster ?

Answer 33

not that i can think of

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@thomaster

I understand what you are saying and thats usually what I do I just head to a Moderator (=

- The Librarian, Joshua

Answer 35

@Abhisar no they'll just ignore my warnings and proceed to eventually get themselves suspended for causing trouble. Moderators already have a lot to deal with and if suddenly the amount of reports quadruples they'll have no problem getting rid of the source.

Answer 36

@thomaster

So what you saying is you have no faith or trust in the OSSF? At least give us a chance @thomaster please? Thats all I ask is just one chance?

- The Librarian, Joshua

Answer 37

@Librarian we can also use my video for a summary for recruiting http://www.powtoon.com/show/gk4nM1fpf81/welcome-to-the-ossf/#/

Answer 38

The admins have a very good reason to only pick mature sensible people who are older than 18 to assign moderator. The intention of the community suspension is to detect clear misconduct. And this detection is based on independent reports. If 5 users independently report the same chat message, you can assume someone is wrong with it.
If you bypass this, the community suspension has no meaning and is based on the judgement of a group. This is clearly not the intention. It is either the moderator, or the system's role to make decisions about this.

Answer 39

I love the video and I agree with you but how?

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@thomaster

I hear and understand what your saying but just give us a chance.

- The Librarian, Joshua

Answer 41

We can make a post when you done with the recruiting survey and in the same post the first comment will be the link of the video ^_^ so all recruits have an idea

Answer 42

I love that idea!

- The Librarian, Joshua

Answer 43

@thomaster calm down bruh ;-; just cause im in it. We are mature and we want to make a difference we dont need a mod being rude saying we aren't mature. I do have some stories about you that shows ur immaturity

Answer 44

If you want ill leave the group but dont take it out on the OSSF just cause im in it

Answer 45

you being in this group has nothing to do with the advice I'm giving. I did not mention anything about the maturity of the members of this group by the way. If my conduct on the site showed any sign of immaturity I would never have been asked to become a moderator. Clearly your interpretation of 'rude' corresponds to what I call 'friendly advice'. I can give this advice because I have seen this multiple times in the past, end didn't end well for the group in any case.

I'm done now with 'being rude'. My apologies if you all interpreted it that way. Do as you wish, but when the other moderators start ridding the site of OSSF members out of annoyance from the massive influx of new abuse reports you won't get my help.

Answer 46

@thomaster Talk to Preetha about what the OSSF is.

Answer 47

@thomaster in time we will prove to you that we are very responsible and, like I said we only do the report thing with approval of a mod. Suspension isn't something to take lightly so it has to go under some consideration. Also your not being rude to me, I like hearing feed back on ways that Josh and I could improve OSSF. I want you and a lot of the other mods to say what you expect from us, what you would want us to do. were just hear to help out, the mods are coming on less frequently than before so its time some one steps up to better the community. Also I was thinking instead of reporting at all. We get together with a mod and show evidence of what the "owlet" said. We would provide photo's and even some witnesses. This website is part of my daily life now, and I will improve it in any way possible. Thanks for your feed back, :) It was greatly appreciated.

Answer 48

@e.mccormick @Zarkon @Ashleyisakitty @Callisto @sasogeek @shrutipande9 @Preetha

I want feed back from every one.

Answer 49

@Joel_the_boss

Well put Joel I look forward to working with you (=

Answer 50

So..... from my point of view @Librarian is the leader of the group, @Joel_the_boss is vice president. Is that correct?

Answer 51

@librarian I look forward to working with you as well. :)

@just_one_last_goodbye That is correct for now. Later we will add one more person, and there will be 3 head leaders. That will make voting easier.

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@Joel_the_boss

Please message me and will start discussing this asap (=

Answer 53

I just found this now ;-;
keeping me out of things are you now? :P

http://openstudy.com/study#/updates/5463cf53e4b01f8fb006c58c
take a look at this draft I made ^
and note that the "call for community ban" part is only final resort
because as @thomaster said, immediately going to community ban leads to just a larger mess.

Answer 54

I don't think getting mods and admins involved here would help much you guys... I don't know what OSSF is but so far from all i've read, I agree 101% with @thomaster
Take his advice or leave it, when the time comes though, just don't return to say "you said so". having been part of OS's history for so long, I would take his advice.

here's a piece of my mind though, instead of finding ways to fight the bad, try and find ways and things you can "invent" to create more good. the bad things will forever remain with us, that's how life is, and that's what keeps the balance, we just have to manage it, i think the mods are doing a pretty good (not easy) job so far, and sometimes i think they even do more work than the users even realise to give them credit for. stop focusing on the bad, magnify the good and do more of it.

Answer 55

@sasogeek @thomaster

Have you both not fate? Why will you not just give us a chance? Preetha trusts us why won't you?

- The Librarian, Joshua

Answer 56

@sasogeek You might want to look at the mod area discussion on this. Then you can see where it is being pointed towards. =)

Answer 57

Hi. I am not interested in giving feedback as what I feel has been said by other mods.. Best of luck in your endeavors.

- Ashley

Answer 58

Ok Thanks any ways Ashley and thanks everyone else for your opinions. :)

Answer 59

i totally agree with what thomas said! more groups more problems...u can do the same work without forming the groups. u can still help..