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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Why is it important to have a diverse religious society??

OpenStudy (anonymous):

People will be more open minded about different religions, which may avoid conflicts like what happened in the past.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Who say's that? You might be trying to graft mutually exclusive concepts, open-mindedness alows one to look not neccessarily accept. Conflicts are avoided when there is no conflict otherwise there appares to be war, as between the rich and the poor.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

First of all, I'm just stating an idea/opinion here, I'm not trying to start a debate. Do you have any other ideas on how to answer the question that is posted above? I would love to read yours ^_^ "You might be trying to graft mutually exclusive concepts, open-mindedness alows one to look not neccessarily accept." Well yeah, I admit you're right in this part. People's awareness with the presence of other religions might MINIMIZE conflicts but it also depends on them, better? I'm afraid I don't understand this part "Conflicts are avoided when there is no conflict"... well I would say that that's why we're preventing it to happen, so that there won't be any conflicts. Hence the word "avoid". "otherwise there appares to be war, as between the rich and the poor." If war is only between the rich and the poor, how would you explain the Second war of Kappel & French Wars of Religion (Catholics vs. Protestants)? famous Crusades (Christians vs. Muslims)? Lebanese Civil War (Sunnis vs. pelletes)?

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Notice i said as not only, there are many conflicts in the world and they are real not just imaginary, such that you can just ignore the difference. One example is communism vs capitalism, two different economic systems or apparently different system. In the US its supposed to be capatalistic, but that is only for the elite while the bulk of the citizens today practice communism, to each their ablilty to each their need, because they don't have any real capital. There are many contrasting systems in the world, whether secular or religious, and to really understand the contrast much study is required, which most don't have the time, inclination, or ability and are therefore lead like sheep. Remember that half the populace have less than an average IQ, and another quarter don't have the ability to fully apply themselves.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes, I got what you mean. I was only referring to the religious conflicts that happened in the past since the question is asking about the importance of having a diverse religious society. The only importance I can think about is, about the increase of an individual's awareness to different types of religion, that's all :)

OpenStudy (kenljw):

If you read the "Acts of the Apostles" you'll find that the community of the apostles in Jerusalem say's "to each their ability" and they were very hard core in there requirements to join the commune. This actually was the first communistic community, so yes religion makes a difference even in the economic realm.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

It was not communistic in the sense of recent political organisms. It was united and orderly. Quite a difference.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Where do you think modern thought comes from? Nothing new under the sun!

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Hogwash. In the United Order, God is God. In Communism, the State is God. Very much different. Not all things build on all things. It is not necessary to have a religiously diverse population. If we could find one that is right, true, good, and correct, and truly established by God, and actually lived by all its adherents, it would fit everyone and diversity of religious thought would not be required. We could still be quite diverse people. But, God would be God and that argument would be settled. If we believe God and Religion are merely constructs of the thoughts of men, then certainly diversity is required. If God is real and living, and attends our lives, and religion is established by Him for the good of mankind, then we should get together on that, not diversify.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

In our Capitalistic country is God, God or is the country God. Make no error we are the Leviathan of the Old Testament and the Beast of Revelation 13 in the New. Its this pride in our country, nationalism, patriotism, that is spoken about the Leviathan, sea monster, and the worship of the image of the Beast, the US constitution, that make us what we become. Ifs one's choice to partake at least to a point until you really see what is occurring.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Wow. No, it is not so. We require religion to teach morals, despite your cynical attitude. We need people who voluntarily follow rules and respect law and order. Religion helps us teach this to our children. If we can't get this sort of compliance, we can't hire enough police and perhaps your cynicism is warranted.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

The Government only makes laws that it can enforce, that is why so much is changing. The question is do people look to the government for their moral compass or their religion? I look to my religion which may or may not effect government or people. My statement is one's moral being should be greater then that, that exist, toward a more perfect one.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

"The Government only makes laws that it can enforce," There is no evidence of that.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

In 1969 the estimated illegal abortion in the U.S. 1 million, after the Supreme Court made it legal in 1973 it virtually stayed the same. I'm against abortion, especially as a form of birth control, but I rather see upfront what really exist and needs to be addressed then having my head in the sand. There's 3-4 % of the populace that are homosexual, which I'm against, but then again it exist and as such I must recognize it until such time of divine intervention, if only one at a time. Governmental laws in this country have there foundations, some ancient Greek and others Scripturally, and as such have a continual path of change whether I agree with them or not. I choose to set my personal foundation on Judaic Christian which allows me to live in this country unencumbered. By the way if a Government couldn't enforce there laws there useless.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

I agree with the last part. How many speeding tickets are given out vs. how many people speed. It is a tiny, tiny fraction. If too many are given out, someone cries foul about targeting. Arizona's complaint about immigration is that it is the Federal Governments responsibility and they are just no doing their job. How many DUIs actually are prosecuted? How many homicides actually are solved and prosecuted? And on and on and on... You cannot set your foundation Judeo-Christian tradition. You don't know what it is. You are familiar only with recent interpretation and your personal interpretation. What is it REALLY? You'll need a prophet for that - just like all the times when the people learned from God in the Bible. They didn't do it on their own. They had a prophet. You should find one before you go off ranting your personal interpretation.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

If you follow archeology you'll find some disturbing facts about ancient Israel, like some thing didn't happen. But many of the Prophet's came true in the last 600 years, from plague in Europe that killed a third of the world, foretold in Revelations and the Christmas tree in Isaiah, to the BAN of some Native Americans, the founding of the Church of LDS, racing and jumping chariots, and many others foretold in the Prophet's. Whether you see these as self-fulfill prophecy's or something foresaw, to me it is not a coincidence and it doesn't really take a prophet to see what has happened and is happening.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

To interpret scripture requires God who wrote it. Did you answer my question on the other post. Where did Peter get his correct information? You are right. No prophet is required to see the past. Foretelling is a good parlor trick, excepting for actual prophets. Let's do a list. Where are these things foretold... plague in Europe that killed a third of the world, foretold in Revelations the Christmas tree in Isaiah, to the BAN of some Native Americans, the founding of the Church of LDS, racing and jumping chariots Chapter and verse, please.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

They really are there, do you wish me to do your work, better yet if I point it out to you how do you know I'm not controlling you perceptions. The last part I'm positive of, others can influence and even control ones perceptions especially those with negativity in mind. This is the Last Battle, believe it or not I know how a possession can affect some ones life in a negative way. The 6th commandment "thou shall not kill", some today like to use murder but in the KJB murderer and murderous are used elsewhere so if they wanted to use murder they would of. If come down to the definition of kill-to deprive of life. This does not necessarily mean terminate but the taking away something precious to it, such as reputation or freedom or even one's soul.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Nah, I have it. I want you to commit, first, so that I can demonstrate that there are various understanding of the passages that you claim to be so clear. Without a prophet to decide the matter, to get true and correct information from the same source as Peter, we will always have differences of opinion, no matter how clear one might think things are. Ephesians 4:11-13

OpenStudy (kenljw):

If an eye offend thee pluck it out, this means that if you commune with someone and if affects you negatively remove it. Christ also said about the Prophet's every "I" will be dotted and every "t' will be crossed, in our language, is what has gone on in our county in past what he meant, and have we gone past that into something else, say the Beast.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

You know when you just cite a chapter and verse you are using or creating a toe. Read Isaiah chapter 1, you will find it quite interesting, toe's also exist in math and science.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Come on. You never had anyone challenge your spewings, before? Let's do a list. Where are these things foretold... plague in Europe that killed a third of the world, foretold in Revelations Revelation 12:4 clearly is talking about something that happened BEFORE the world was. Definitely not the Black Plague. the Christmas tree in Isaiah, to the BAN of some Native Americans, the founding of the Church of LDS, racing and jumping chariots Chapter and verse, please.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

sorry tow

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Cop Out. You can do it.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

I'm not a polemic, but I'm sure if you ask your pastor or professor they will point to where they are. I don't portend to be an expert on scriptures and don't memorize chapter and verse. I try to understand for my edification and help others by pointing a way, I once said I'm not a leader and I may not follow which requires work on my part. I am a product of this county an individual and I expect others to be.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

I don't request polemic, only were to look. No need to memorize. Feel free to look them up. Take your time. You claim to have a desire to influence others. This makes it a social issue where I might have standing. I have a desire to make sure people are not misled. Stand behind your bold statements. Do it.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

The Christmas Tree was first in Europe in the middle ages Isaiah Chapter 55 Verse 13

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Revelations 9;14 mentions Euphrates which is by history where the rats, with the flees, were transported to Europe through the shipping lanes. 9:18 a third part of man killed.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Amos Chapter 7, specifically how the seagulls came and eat the grasshoppers saving the Mormons crops. Many other interesting things in this prophecy.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

The Beast of Revelation 13, "having 7 heads and 10 horns", the U.S constitution has 7 articles and initially the Bill of Rights, 10 Amendments, powers or horns. Like a leopard, the Federal Government the leopard and the States the spots. and the Dragon gave it his power, the Dragon corresponds to democracy. One of it heads were wounded to death but healed, corresponds to the Civil War, 600,000 died, and the article dealing with slavery was wounded and healed with the 14th Amendment. 13;17 And that no man might buy or sell save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 1913 an Amendment was passed for Federal Income Tax, and associated number. In 1935 Social Security system came into existence and everyone given a SS Number. 1962 the SS Number became the official number for citizens to pay taxes. And if you don't have a SS number you can't work and make money, hence not able to buy or sell.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Nahum 2; 4 you'll find racing chariots in the streets, 3:2 you'll find jumping chariots. Both these found in California after about 1960 but in my small town, in NY, we had a marked out 1/4 mile along a road exiting town that my elders raced in the middle of the night, I was with them once. There's another possibility for jumping chariots and that is a person jumping, being transported from on location to another, in Roman Catholicism there's a principle of bilocation, being two places at once, but it actually maybe a person being transported and appear to be two place at once.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

If your not familiar with the Ban in the capture of the Holy Land what are you doing on this cite. And as for some things occur before the world began, consider Revelation 13:8 and what world were talking about.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

St John chapter 10 verse 10, The thief cometh not, but for to steal and to kill, and to destroy; I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly, These words not only can pertain to what is normally apparent in life but also what some may call spiritual in nature. I have evidence that some of my personal writing have been read, even though I've shown no one, by a trail of one word left behind, "unauthorized". These were of personal nature but having some idea of what was happening I typed it up and distributed it over the last 10 years, lastly to a psychologist. It is only recently in reviewing my writing that I ran across the added word not in my handwriting and in pencil, mine was in ink.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Here are my two impressions of your remarks: 1) I'm actually far more impressed than I thought I would be at your interesting and compelling interpretations. Nevertheless, 2) I'm just as concerned as I thought I would be about your arrogance. There are many parallel-looking lines to be drawn, but are these the actual and real interpretations? Thinking of it does not make it so. You do not know the real interpretation unless you seek the One True Source of such information. You have not sought this Source. You have relied on your own understanding. If God, Himself appeared to you and explained a passage or two, would you listen to His interpretation? From your unflinching presentation, I suspect you might struggle with that. Fundamentally, thank you for providing the requested personal information and analysis.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Frankly what I have experienced in my life I would have a problem with a so called God coming into my physical presence and giving me an interpretation, consider what happened to Joseph Smith in which it supposedly happened. It would take a lot more than that to convince me, especially I would not just accept his word, but would require demonstration after demonstration verified my many others. Yes I'm a little cynical but when working in a realm where "anything is possible" especially when Satan is known as the "Angle of Light" and seeing how so many are already deceived.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Truthfully you can't seek that source, the source must seek you.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Why have we prayer?

OpenStudy (kenljw):

I have one prayer, a Lord's prayer to the LORD. I've said it every night before I go to sleep for 25 years. It has been amended several times as my knowledge of what Christ was really asking increased. Christ said the Father knows what you need before you ask, I seldom ask for specifics because it seems arrogant to me to really know what you need, leaving that to the Father. Christ said who is my mother, brother, or sister but those in Gods will, and I guess I consider myself Christ brother.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

?? He was praying to His Father. Why are you praying to Him? His example was otherwise. Paul thought it appropriate to pray and to seek for spiritual gifts. 1 Corinthians 14 How have you concluded differently? Pretty common in the Old Testament: 2 Kings 6:18, Jeremiah 37:20, Numbers 21:7, and etc. Luke 11:1 the disciples wanted to learn how to pray. Acts 12:12 - An awful lot of praying. Are they all just repeating the words of that one prayer? I think not. You should learn to pray. "The Lords Prayer" is an example, not a script. See how interpretations can differ? It is an interesting thing.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

I also pray to the Father, the Our in the Our Father represents Christ and me. Are you familiar with the Dead Sea Scrolls, I read it once, in it there's an Essene prophecy that predicted a man of righteousness and a wicked priests. I personally believe the man of righteousness was Jesus and the wicked priest was Paul. I disagree with a number of things Paul wrote such as "all is lawful for me", which reminds me of Machiavelli and President Nixon. When he say's "Faith, Hope, and Charity, and charity is the most important" I have a problem in that if you don't have Faith in your Lords you truly can't have charity. I do not accept blindly what is in scripture but inspect it with a discerning eye, and I especially don't use tow's without first know it's full consequence. As I said I'm not a polemic, and believe such things helps no one because if to don't trust in the source you can't convince any one. When your brought up with Santa Class and Halloween, and todays audio video environment would you believe anything so outrageous Scriptures especially with all the misinterpretations.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

There it is again. You see some vague connection and you immediately decide it must be the only explanation. Not a wise pursuit. Wisdom, lacking the direct source, would suggest a pluralistic outlook.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

If there is so many multiple connections then truthfully the only one that counts is the one that you personally choose, and to do that you don't need scriptures at all. I tried reading St Thomas Aquinas once but was so full of ancient Greek philosophe, love of wisdom, I couldn't really follow the allusions. I ended giving the five texts away. Remember the saying even the devil knows scriptures and you may become cautious with any rhetorical discussion on scriptures.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

I've experienced and know telepathy exist and think its akin to communion. I also think this is the means which certain types of prayer's are answered. I once heard a television minster explain his church need 13 million to build a annex, the congregation prayed continually for it, eventually a millionaire gave them the money. As I said people have their reason for doing things and sometimes you may have no choice but be under their influence, as possession. People have strongholds, in which they live, to help them deal with everyday life. I had a therapist once and I explained a certain experience to her, at the end of the session she noticeable experiences it. When I saw the next time I asked her about it, her response was mind games. Many people have strongholds in which they refuse to accept anything outside of it as real, but if you refuse to even recognize the existence of them you of little help to someone under the influence. There's a difference for using prayer for healing than using it to control.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

In Roman Catholicism the Priests, Bishops, Cardinals, and the Pope reserve the ability and right to interpret scriptures for the laity. This was not only true when the bulk of the laity was illiterate but today. This appears to be true of all religious groups, and example is the Puritans in Massachusetts which expelled a woman, a midwife, for spreading her interpretations and view on scripture, contrary to the leader's. Today we not only have religious groups who do the same but a public educational system, K-12, Associate, "Bachelor and Higher which consist of 28.8 %" of the populace. These institutions have an effect on others other than just the participants. Are all these influences on society God or something else, my view something else which has to do with being human.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

The Ivy League Universities were initially Seminaries as most Colleges that cropped up. Initially Harvard required the freshman class to learn Hebrew, you can discover this by reading the Pen of Iron by Robert Alter, he's also the author of a modern translation of scriptures, see amazon.com. The fact is these institution a have entities, a modern word for spirits, that actually guide our society. Most people seem imperious to outside influences but they do exist in our world. I was negatively affect as a child that influence my behavior for a number of years, the mar, stain, on my soul has brought me to a point where I may be immune. I really don't think this I what the powers at be intended but what God wanted. The negative influences still seem to be out there, at least what I can see by the news, how a entity can enter a body, pervert it, and not care what happens to the host. This is the spiritual influence of "all is lawful to me" from the individual to the country.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

I've enjoyed our little discussion. You seem thoughtful and fair. As stated earlier, you also seem arrogant and unflinching in an atmosphere that can not possibly bleed as much confidence as you try to portray. Good day.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

My life has been threaten many times in my life, the only error I made was threatening back. Some phases in Revelation that are needed for understanding. Hot and Cold, the Lukewarm will be spewed out Hot is the ardently religious, Cold in the coldness of science In the 16th century the Roman Catholic Church creating the Jesuit Priesthood that were educated to be Priest and then in science, they were the only ones with direct communications with the Pope. My personal concern is with the Lukewarm that are used, abused, and disposed of. Fire and Brimstone Brimstone is sulfur or containing sulfur. Paper which came to the west in the 12th century, contains sulfur, and then advent of the printing press which allowed widespread communications not just scriptures. Fire represent ardent, passionate, devotion to what one reads and what's read. Lake of Fire This is speculation but I think its widespread communication through the internet, people affecting others with their words. Sadly but might be necessary that people may lose some of the natural ability to commune with each other, or just not recognize it. The False Prophet, alas for another time.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

I suppose I should mention that. I do appreciate the directness and strength you present.

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