OpenStudy (killinthevibe):

is it possible to believe that God exist, and many other religion leaders, but not follow them? For example, believing that the Buddah, and Jesus Chirst, etc. All real, but not to following any. Is it considered atheist?

1 year ago
OpenStudy (helpkay):

yes it is possible to believe that God exist, and many other religion leaders, but not follow them I don't believe it is considered atheist atheist is when you don't believe there is a god at all i don't know what you would call this then maybe a non believer of any faith IDK here is the definition of atheist a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. hope that helped if you have any questions fill free to message me

1 year ago
OpenStudy (aveline):

"is it possible to believe that God exist, and many other religion leaders, but not follow them? For example, believing that the Buddah, and Jesus Chirst, etc. All real, but not to following any" The answer to your question is yes. I've never heard of "Buddah" or "Chirst" though ;P 99% of people would agree that Joseph Smith existed, but less than 1% of people follow his teachings. Atheism is when a person doesn't believe there is a god. They may believe that people like Jesus and Joseph Smith existed, but they don't believe that these people were actual religious figures.

1 year ago
OpenStudy (kenljw):

One definition of believe is accept as true, I believe the sun will appear on the eastern horizon in the morning, I believe in gravity and won't fall up, I believe in modern medicine in that if I hadn't had 3 surgeries I'd be dead, I believe in the miracle's because I had one, I believe in telepathy in that I've experienced in the past, I believe in material being transported by some unknown means I've observed a number of times, I believe in the KJB because I've seen in history some prophecies fulfilled and some correlations with my own life and the present existent world, I believe in God the Father and Christ because I understand what they were telling me and I follow, worship, them because it gives me some comfort in my present existence. To believe a Deity exist or could exist and not to consider it seems a little insane, in that who do you believe about anything in your lost world.

1 year ago
OpenStudy (jumperman):

I believe in God. Yes. Do I believe in Brahma? No. Buddha? He existed, but there is a lot of logical issues with Buddhism. Especially Zen Buddhism. Do I believe Satan exists? Yes. I do not follow Satanism anymore. Anton LaVey existed, but I do not follow his teachings. Believing in someone doesn't make you a follower of them. The Book of James in the Bible says that even the demons believe in God... and shudder. You cannot, however, believe in two different doctrines that are in contradiction with each other. For example, you cannot believe God created the universe and evolution. They are in conflict, and you are left with only one option. Personally, I believe God created the universe because there is a lot of issues that I find with evolution. Does that make sense?

1 year ago
OpenStudy (kenljw):

If you accept the fact that God created the universe it doesn't have to deny evolution. No where in scriptures does it say "how" God created the universe. I believe a ultimate Deity is required, in Revelations chapter one it states two alpha omega's, God the Father and Christ. This alpha scenario is what is required for creation in that the universe can't exist without God and God can't exist without the universe. The primary function given to man is to understand and protect nature while remaining separate in that the only valid interpretation of scriptures is man is to be more than biological, animal.

1 year ago
OpenStudy (anonymous):

Sure it is!

1 year ago
OpenStudy (anaise):

Atheists are idiots who think they know everything about religion, but actually.... they don't know anything. Pretty sure religion functions as motivation

1 year ago
OpenStudy (aveline):

@Anise That's not very nice. Please consider reading the rules of this section.

1 year ago
OpenStudy (anaise):

How is that not nice? What part if RELIGION do you not understand?

1 year ago
OpenStudy (aveline):

Well, calling a group of people "idiots" just isn't something you should do in general.

1 year ago
OpenStudy (aveline):

Also, your response has nothing to do with OP's question :P @Anaise

1 year ago
OpenStudy (anaise):

Okay, I'll use imbeciles

1 year ago
OpenStudy (anaise):

You're not ruining my freedom of speech, are you?

1 year ago
OpenStudy (anaise):

And using atheists as reference towards the "believing part" So, yes it does.

1 year ago
OpenStudy (helpkay):

@Anaise I don't think we should go bashing people just because they don't choose to believe many time if we do this we will turn them away from God rather then turn them to God what if someone said are faith is stupid and we where idiots and for following a God we can't see so you have to think about how they view God to I know someone personal that was a Jehovah witness and they never wanted to go to church because they got treated poorly but on day he was on his tip getting ready to became a Deccan of the faith when he went to a church and tried to convince the pastor over but instead the pastor just told him to read the bible as a child he did and latter him and he whole family got save he said that would have never happen if that pastor didn't treat him with kindness and respected him for who he was http://www.adamsroadband.com/ you can find the story here BTW all there book and music is free i encourage you to order some also this is a man that this pass week that was an Atheists that my family knows that is only in his 40 and had to have heart surgery he said before that he would never go to church because when he went before people look down at him called him name and mad him fill bad while he was in the hospital my family went every day to talk with him and prayed with him after he got out he said he take God he is alive and wanted to come to church this was a man who was an Atheists who didn't care about God church or Christian because of the way so called Christian treated him do you think they would had ever turn to Christ if we called them an idiot I don't think so we have to treat people with respect We are to let people see Christ in us what do you think they see by calling them idiot If someone told be i was an idiot for not believe what they believe i wouldn't want what they have they just walked all over my faith why would i want what they have when they can't even give me a chance We are to let God's light shine not dim it

1 year ago
OpenStudy (anaise):

I am actually a bit too lazy to read this. I wasn't bashing. End of conversation.

1 year ago
OpenStudy (anaise):

If I don't. There's no difference.

1 year ago
OpenStudy (helpkay):

@UliNK @Jumperman @JoannThomas can you believe this

1 year ago
OpenStudy (anaise):

Actually lol, if you do believe in God, you wouldn't be shaming me :)

1 year ago
OpenStudy (anaise):

So, all your facts don't narrow down to you. When someone states no more, you damn people continue. I'm pretty sure God didn't tell you to "talk" to me. Now did he?

1 year ago
OpenStudy (anaise):

And as I said, end of conversation. Go preach to someone else. Welcome to the world of ignorant people.

1 year ago
OpenStudy (helpkay):

1 I am not shaming you i'm telling you it not nice to say thing about people because there not like you 2 no i didn't hear a big boom voice from heaven saying to talk to you 3 what does God have to do with anything 3 the only reason why i'm continuing is because it not right that you are calling someone an idiot I don't care if your black white red yellow or pink I think we all should show respect for others and I will say no more

1 year ago
OpenStudy (anaise):

Grammar trivia! AtheistS, plural. Calling the idea of atheism itself is dumb. I could have worded it better.

1 year ago
OpenStudy (aveline):

You can hate on beliefs, but not on people. If you don't like atheists, you can close your laptop. After all, a gay atheist invented the computer.

1 year ago
OpenStudy (opcode):

> After all, a gay atheist invented the computer. What a pathetic argument on your part, I get Anaise, is being a tad bit rude, but still your argument is plain sad. If a homophobic man created an antibiotic, would you not use it to treat you illness? You would, why? Because his beliefs, are his, and yours are yours. Differences between beliefs is a factor of being human. To not use a product that is neutral when coming to your onions is less than smart. Also Alan Turing was not likely a homosexual, rather bisexual, as he did have a fiancée, though he did break it off thinking it would not work, he did love he, that much is evident. His personally letters to my knowledge never stated his orientation, but did show he had troubles with his sexuality. Alan Turing also was not a classical atheist in a sense, seeing as he believed in an after life. Also, to be fair Alonzo Church had the mathematics to what an algorithm is, correct, as well did Gödel, they just both did the philosophy wrong. It was Turing who got it correct. (When philosophers argue about whether mathematics was invent, or discovered, I like to remember how three men got the answer to the Entscheidungsproblem three times in different ways.) Also Anaise, the freedom of speech right is waved/limited when you accepted the Terms and Conditions when you signed up. ~ As for the original question, you would classify what you are saying under atheism. As you can believe religious leaders existed, but as long as you deny the existence of a high power, or God(s) you are still an atheist. Of course you do not have to though, some atheist I know say Jesus Christ was a myth.

1 year ago
OpenStudy (aveline):

Wow, it looks like some people can't take a joke xD

1 year ago
OpenStudy (opcode):

Where along the lines was it a joke? You seemed genuinely sincere in that argument. Anyways even if it was a joke, bad logic, is bad logic. Being a joke is not a defense of a bad argument. For example I doubt one would call a story with a plot hole a good story. Not trying to offend you, just pointing out using broken logic in any circumstance is likely well broken.

1 year ago
OpenStudy (aveline):

I'm pretty sure you missed the whole point of my comments. You can bash beliefs, but not people.

1 year ago
OpenStudy (opcode):

Was I talking about your point? I was talking about your flawed argument...

1 year ago
OpenStudy (kenljw):

All jokes have a fabric of truth, in fact when someone does something wrong and gets caught they try to get out of it by saying I was just joking.

1 year ago
OpenStudy (aveline):

I'm not trying to get out of anything wrong. I'm not sure why you are all so upset about a joke. Grow up ._.

1 year ago
OpenStudy (opcode):

I am confused, why do you think I am upset?

1 year ago
OpenStudy (opcode):

My first post in this thread, was about a bad argument. My second post, was asking how was your bad argument a joke, and then stating a joke does not defense a bad argument. My third post was in response to you saying I missed the point, but I stated that I did not, and I was commenting about the bad argument not your main point. My fourth post was asking you why you thought I was upset. The second post is the only posted that used the word logic, and it was not stating your logic was flawed rather that a joke is not a defense of bad logic. Each post dealt with a different thing, each response from you not addressing my main point of my post, which to quote you seems like you, "missed the whole point" I am not upset, or angry, more like humoured than anything else.

1 year ago
OpenStudy (aveline):

You're essentially saying that it is okay to discriminate against people based on their beliefs. I would recommend that you actually read the string of comments before you try to single out a joke on someone's post then criticize it. I recommend that you check out these definitions: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=define%20argument https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#safe=strict&q=define+joke

1 year ago
OpenStudy (opcode):

> You're essentially saying that it is okay to discriminate against people based on their beliefs. I never said that. Dare I ask, how you came to that idea? > I would recommend that you actually read the string of comments before you try to single out a joke on someone's post then criticize it. I have read this whole thread, why can I not criticize a bad joke (which is an argument)? It was in a constructive manner, I even provide analogies (stressing reductio ad absurdum) to explain why the alleged joke was fallacious. Look to be frank, if I offended you I am sorry, humour is not my forte. I just wanted to point out that using a argument like, \(x\) invented \(z\), where \(x\) is an opposing viewpoint, is broken. I am in no way trying to attack you, Aveline, in a negative manner. Now I would prefer you assume the same good faith I assume for you, and clarify why you think exactly I find it OK to discriminate against people based on their beliefs?

1 year ago
OpenStudy (aveline):

Oh. My. God. Can. You. Even. Read. I'm not going to argue with you anymore because you are clearly missing the entire point :/

1 year ago
OpenStudy (kenljw):

It depends on what you mean by discriminate, Love is defined as a warm attachment and I love God the Father with all my heart and soul. It actually up to him with whom, or anyone, I have a warm attachment. The other love is how you treat people, you can treat another with respect but you do not have to close relationship, allowing them to live within the community as long as the follow the law. When Christ said "if an eye offend thee pluck it out" He was referring to a inward experience which may have an outward cause. This implies a limited warn attachment and it may depend how sensitive a persons is as to negative influences. The Christian perspective is you treat a 6'6'' 240 lb man the same as a 99 lb weakling otherwise you work on fear, either fear of one or try to control the other. Our country is attempting to have everyone treated the same outwardly, the inward experience may be entirely different and depends on the perspective of the individual. Its been a long road for me to this path which I have come to.

1 year ago
OpenStudy (opcode):

> The other love is how you treat people, you can treat another with respect but you do not have to close relationship, allowing them to live within the community as long as the follow the law. Intriguing, this is pluralism, correct? Also I do not quite understand what you mean, by outward versus inward experience. Is the outward experience pluralism, and the inward experience the personal beliefs held?

1 year ago
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