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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

4.0 x 25 = ?

OpenStudy (will.h):

Kidding right?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Nope

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Give it a try, I'm sure you're gona get it wrong if you haven't studied significant figures yet..

OpenStudy (will.h):

4.0 x 25 = 100. XD

OpenStudy (will.h):

or why not 100.0

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

4 is not same as 4.0 100 is not same as 100. 100. is not same as 100.0

OpenStudy (will.h):

yes i meant 100.0

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

actually it will be 100 . in multiplication 2 significant digits are lost. so 100.0 will not be the answer

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

The inputs 4.0 and 25 have two significant figures only, so the result must also have exactly two significant figures right ?

OpenStudy (will.h):

yeah...

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

But 100.0 has four significant figures

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[4.0 \times 25 \ne 100.0\]

OpenStudy (will.h):

Bruh lol! what then? No solution?!

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

I am stunned! Ganeshie8 is actually needing help...

OpenStudy (will.h):

No that's for fun question

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

I really don't know, haven't googled yet.. thought of posting it here before searching online..

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

WHAT?!

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

OMG see this! He actually needs help!

OpenStudy (will.h):

Wow so you do looking for help it is good to know :)

jhonyy9 (jhonyy9):

=10^2

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

Well I cannot help idk this stuff :(

jhonyy9 (jhonyy9):

i ve got it somewhere on internet on any math forum

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

You should be knowing this @NvidiaIntely as you're doing a lot of chemistry these days

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

Yeah ik that. But I don't remember now... Let me look it up lol

OpenStudy (will.h):

@ganeshie8 you think jhonyy is right?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

I don't think so, 10^2 = 100 has only one significant figure, right ?

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UjwJ9PIUvE

OpenStudy (dehydrated):

I'm just here observing and learning

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

here is an example

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

@ganeshie8, I think this should help :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UjwJ9PIUvE

OpenStudy (triciaal):

quit playing we know 4.0 * 25 = 100

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

We do? Really?

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

Well, I would say we know it does NOT!

OpenStudy (dehydrated):

WAIT CAN I TRY?

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

Sure!

OpenStudy (will.h):

am pretty sure @ganeshie8 is trying to playing us lol and yet he is doing well 100 is the same as 100.0

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

idk about that Will. He needs help.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

@jango_IN_DTOWN Nice idea, so it can be rounded to 110 or something so that we get the significant figures correct ?

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

Ummm....maybe, I am not sure though...

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

@triciaal so disrespectful to sig figs haha

OpenStudy (will.h):

@dehydrated that's not the question tho 4.0 x 25 this is

OpenStudy (dehydrated):

rip i realized that

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

@ganeshie8, I just watched this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UjwJ9PIUvE I think it will help you alot :P

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

actually 110-140 , all are correct. but the best answer will be to use scientific notation:. 1.0 *10^2

OpenStudy (dehydrated):

1. 4.0*25 2. 100.0 3. 1.0E+2 (100) because there are 0 decimals and 2 figs

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

BINGO! scientific notation does it !

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

hhhrrrmmmm.........

OpenStudy (dehydrated):

my neighbor helped lol

TheSmartOne (thesmartone):

4.0 has two sig figs 25, we have no idea how many sig figs

OpenStudy (dehydrated):

i had scientific notation in ap bio and it was awful XD

TheSmartOne (thesmartone):

If it was 25. then we would know two sig figs, but without it, we don't know

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

Wait @TheSmartOne. I thought 0 is not counted as a sig fig?

TheSmartOne (thesmartone):

Just like 100. has three sigs figs but 100 (without the .) is the same thing as 1 * 10^2 which has 1 sig fig or it could be said that it has 3 sig figs so it's very ambiguous

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

Oh, okay TSO.

OpenStudy (dehydrated):

@TheSmartOne lives up to their name

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

interesting @TheSmartOne it seems integers have infinity siginificant figures

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

The basic rules are: If you add or subtract, one significant digit is lost If you multiply or divide, two significant digits are lost. If there is confusion, better give the final answer in scientific notation

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

Did anyone watch the video I linked?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

I did watch it @NvidiaIntely, nice one it is part of a 7 video tutorial on significant figures

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

yeah, it should help you :)

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

Did it help at all?

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

very funny.:)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

From my chemistry book : Counting numbers of objects, for example, 2 balls or 20 eggs, have infinite significant figures as these are exact numbers and can be represented by writing infinite number of zeros after placing a decimal i.e., 2 = 2.000000 or 20 = 20.000000

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

yeah, that's right.

TheSmartOne (thesmartone):

I thought that the rules were When you add or subtract, your final answer has the same amount of decimal spots as the number with the least precision so 1.01 + 2.055 = 2.055 +1.01 ------- 3.065 but 1.01 has only 2 digits after the decimal so our final answer is 3.07 I've heard of the rule that when you round, if the second last digit is odd, and you have 5 or higher you round If the second digit is even, and you have 5 or higher, you do not round However, my chem professor completely ignros this rules The rule for multiplication/division is not like addition/subtraction Multiplication/division is based on sig figs while addition/subtraction is based on precision E.g. 1.5 * 3.51 = 5.26500 1.5 has 2 sig figs 3.51 has 3 sig figs we need to use 2 since that's the least which would make it 5.3

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

\(4.0 \times 25 = 1.0\times 10^2\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Yes, I think scientific notation is the only correct answer @mathstudent55

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

lol I am confused like a Hyper Threaded CPU!

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

Maybe @mathstudent55 correct? Should I bring more people here?

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

That video has an error... regarding rounding for 5... 'for example 3.25 correct upto 2 significant figures will be 3.2 but 3.251 correct upto 2 significant figures will be 3.3

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

You have good eyes @jango_IN_DTOWN . All through his 7 videos, he increments if the right digit is 5,6,7,8,9 no matter whether the digit to the left of it is odd or even..

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

Thats not the rule used in numerical analysis, if 5 is the last non zero digit and the digit before is even, we keep it even, if it is odd, we make it even.. But if 5 has more digits after it, we have to round it upto the next value

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

That's right Jango, good for you!

TheSmartOne (thesmartone):

That is what I thought, Jango, but when I tried explaining this to my chem lab professor she heartily disagreed with me. x:

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

Then show her any book of numerical analysis. :)..

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

lol

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

I updated my profile bio lol.

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

Anyways focus on helping @ganeshie8.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

@NvidiaIntely mass tagging slows down the server, please don't do it

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

Okay

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

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OpenStudy (v-sync):

@ganeshie8 LOOK AT THIS!!! Here's the rules for sig figs: 1. All non-zero digits in a number are significant. 2. Multiplication/Division: The number of significant figures cannot exceed the number of significant figures in the least accurate measurement. So, count the number of significant digits in each measurement, then round the final answer to the lowest number of significant digits in the problem. 3. Additional/Subtraction: During the calculation, line up the decimal places and complete the computation. Then round the answer to the decimal place in the least accurate measurement. Look at the attachment for zeros:

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Thank you @V-Sync , that table covers all the rules in a compact way !

NvidiaIntely (nvidiaintely):

So you done with this @ganeshie8? Did you get your answer? Why did everyone freeze?

OpenStudy (v-sync):

YW @ganeshie8 And actually thank you for thanking me! WOW!! I got a Thank You from @ganeshie8 himself!!! :D :D :D :D :D

OpenStudy (banjoman):

100?

TheSmartOne (thesmartone):

This isn't a discussion about multiplication, but rather about significant figures.

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