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GlockParrot69:

A 1.6 Kg cart moving at 6.0 m/s [E] collides with a 1.2 Kg cart moving at 3.0 m/s [W]. The head-on collision is completely elastic and is cushioned by a spring. a) Find the velocity of the two carts when the spring is at maximum compression. (i've already done this part) b) Find the velocity of the 1.2 Kg cart after the collision. (i need help with this question).

GlockParrot69:

This is how i did part A. let's hope my pen works...uhg

GlockParrot69:

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GlockParrot69:

@random231

GlockParrot69:

How do i do the second question? what formula do i use plz?

GlockParrot69:

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random231:

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GlockParrot69:

it's in the formula sheet idk tbh

random231:

is it 2m? i cant understand what it is. :P

GlockParrot69:

yeah it's 2m

random231:

mhmm idk where to use that formula.

GlockParrot69:

well what do you think how should we approach this problem?

random231:

Anyways what i understand from the question is: after the collision takes place the spring is compressed to the maximum. then it expands again fully. We need to find the velocity when the spring has fully expanded. what do you think?

GlockParrot69:

this is what we have for variables..|dw:1520624592607:dw|

GlockParrot69:

no if you look at the question again. the momentum of cart A with a mass of 1.6kg is more than cart B with a mass of 1.2 kg. When they both collide with eachother head-on. the net velocity will be due west. after the collision.

random231:

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GlockParrot69:

east.

random231:

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random231:

^right?

GlockParrot69:

the arrow sign

random231:

what about it? :D

GlockParrot69:

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random231:

look what happens is: the two bodies collide--->spring compresses fully and stores potential energy-->both bodies start moving in same direction with same velocity-->then spring relaxes releasing the potential energy-->changes to kinetic energy changing the velocities of the bodies

random231:

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random231:

^this is what i think. otherwise the question doesnt make sense.

GlockParrot69:

ok :)

random231:

the n the answer should be 4.7 for both a and b

random231:

what do you think?

GlockParrot69:

i do agree with your response and i think it does sound logical but for part be if the spring is compressed, that means there is some stored energy in the spring that will work against the momentum of the cart after the collision. But lets just focus on the main part of question b, which is the velocity of cart 1.6kg. i think...

GlockParrot69:

B*

GlockParrot69:

i think the stored energy in the sprign will slow down the cart A with 1.6 kg moving east. what do u say?

GlockParrot69:

after the collision.....that is.^^^

random231:

well we could just solve the problem and find out ourselves. :)

random231:

so lets start from when the spring is fully compressed.

GlockParrot69:

sounds awesome.

random231:

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random231:

so before proceeding further we need to find how much energy the spring holds

GlockParrot69:

yeah. :/

random231:

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GlockParrot69:

W = change in energy.

random231:

so can you find it? use energy conservation

GlockParrot69:

let me draww the equation...

GlockParrot69:

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GlockParrot69:

is this it?

GlockParrot69:

wait cant we use the following equation? |dw:1520625984496:dw|

random231:

no no this is momentum conservation. theres no way to find potential energy stored in spring from this

random231:

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random231:

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random231:

plug in the values and find PE(spring)

GlockParrot69:

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GlockParrot69:

omg i have that equation written above the conservation of momentum list...uhg im hopeless :/ one sec

GlockParrot69:

i'll get back to you once i solve. :) <3

GlockParrot69:

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GlockParrot69:

or should i just leave that for now?

random231:

just keep that as PE and find its value.

GlockParrot69:

yes sir

GlockParrot69:

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GlockParrot69:

im geting my answer in meters per second

GlockParrot69:

let me send you the full solution.

GlockParrot69:

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random231:

shet i cant view it. its not loading

GlockParrot69:

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GlockParrot69:

try again plz :)

random231:

yea now i can

GlockParrot69:

swee

random231:

you made a couple of mistakes

random231:

btw the value wont be 6.85. you forgot to square 4.7 on the right side

random231:

how can the unit on the left side be joules and the right side be kg m/s ??

GlockParrot69:

because i forgot to square on the right side... sorry let me try again. :)

GlockParrot69:

i get 3.27 Joules of work.

random231:

ok

GlockParrot69:

how does that sound? logical?

random231:

ig

GlockParrot69:

yeah i mean its only 3.3 joules. on 1.6 kg cart...yeah i think its fine

GlockParrot69:

so is that it?

random231:

nope, wait 3.3J is the spring PE right?

GlockParrot69:

yeah i mean.....

GlockParrot69:

its realistic

random231:

yea ofc :D

random231:

so now you have the PE of the spring. we'll start from here|dw:1520628913237:dw|

GlockParrot69:

yeah it's the PE of spring cuz thats what we were solving for. there's else except the PE of spring

GlockParrot69:

ok :)

GlockParrot69:

btw this question is only worth 3 marks.... isn't it getting too long for just 3 marks?

random231:

now here the momentum and energy remains the same throughout the process of spring relaxation|dw:1520628989942:dw|

random231:

well tbh its probably because im explaining it in detail. this sum cud be done in 5 lines

GlockParrot69:

wow lol

random231:

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random231:

|dw:1520629227205:dw|plug in the values in eqn 1

random231:

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random231:

so you have the value of vf1 in terms of vf2 and a constant

random231:

|dw:1520629394676:dw|now plug this in place of vf1 in eq2

random231:

now you just have 1 unnown value in the equation

GlockParrot69:

ok

random231:

|dw:1520629506465:dw| its a quadratic equation. i hpe you do know how to solve it?

GlockParrot69:

yup i do :)

GlockParrot69:

ok i'll get back to you once i'm done solving it :)

random231:

awesome. solve for vf2

random231:

:D

random231:

|dw:1520629758549:dw| heres some ice-cream for being such a good student :P

GlockParrot69:

wow i was never taught this in my course. so why am i being tested on it?

GlockParrot69:

nom nom nom nom :D

GlockParrot69:

anyway i'll figure it out.

random231:

:D yeah youll figure it out. youre smart. just dont make silly mistakes :P

GlockParrot69:

i'll try my best XD

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