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princeevee:

help please

princeevee:

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princeevee:

@dude

princeevee:

@Vocaloid

princeevee:

nevermind this, i already solved it, i have a different question though.

princeevee:

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Vocaloid:

the ~ in front of q means "not q" so everything in p but excluding everything in q

princeevee:

so that means the one on the top right?

Vocaloid:

*excluding everything in q*

princeevee:

so the top left one then

Vocaloid:

good

princeevee:

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princeevee:

so this one dosent have a ~, which means it includes q, right?

Vocaloid:

right

Vocaloid:

for truth tables, if you have p v q I believe that in order for the result to be true, you need at least one truth value between p and q

princeevee:

so the first one is marked out, because it has an FF, yet it's T

Vocaloid:

yes

princeevee:

same for the second one, i assume also

Vocaloid:

yes

princeevee:

however, the third one looks the most reasonable one

Vocaloid:

good, that's your sol'n

princeevee:

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princeevee:

for this one, you need to go back to the first question, right? or is this different?

Vocaloid:

hm. not sure about this one tbh. I'll see what I can find on the web.

Vocaloid:

hm. not sure about this one tbh. I'll see what I can find on the web.

princeevee:

alright

Vocaloid:

asked someone for advice on this one and they suggest ~(p v q) since nothing in the venn diagram is shaded, this statement would exclude everything inside the diagram

princeevee:

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Vocaloid:

the upside down V symbol /\ means that both p and ~q need to be true in order for the result to be true, otherwise its false make sure you are looking at the ~q column not the q column

princeevee:

ah, so both need to be T to be completely true, or have T in the right columm

Vocaloid:

yes

princeevee:

so the bottom left one?

Vocaloid:

be sure you are looking at the p column and the ~q column not the q column

princeevee:

oh, so both P and ~q need to be T?

Vocaloid:

yes

princeevee:

oh, the top left one then

Vocaloid:

top left has p true Q~ false but the result is still true which cannot be the case notice how the top right has every p/\~q false except when they're both true which matches the original statement, so it has to be the top right

princeevee:

oh, alright

princeevee:

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princeevee:

this one has an arrow, now...

Vocaloid:

so the arrow is an if-then statement a --> b is true except where a is true and b is false

Vocaloid:

so ~p --> ~q is only false when ~p is true and ~q is false; otherwise the statement is true

Vocaloid:

the correct solution will show ~p T and ~q F ====> F with all the other rows in the table being true

princeevee:

oh,

princeevee:

top right?

princeevee:

@Vocaloid

Vocaloid:

top right cannot be true because it has ~p T and ~q F ====> T instead of F

Vocaloid:

look for the table that shows: ~p T and ~q F ====> F with every row besides that row being true

princeevee:

they all do have that column

Vocaloid:

|dw:1528667346644:dw|

Vocaloid:

|dw:1528667351742:dw|

princeevee:

so it's either the top left or the bottom right.

Vocaloid:

only the top left and bottom right have ~p T and ~q F ====> F

princeevee:

but looking at it more, it's the top left

Vocaloid:

now, between those two, pick the choice where every row except that row is true

Vocaloid:

good, top left

princeevee:

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princeevee:

for this one, we kinda went over it before,

princeevee:

it's pV~q which it's like...

princeevee:

P=t, ~q=f = T?

Vocaloid:

yes

princeevee:

bottom left?

Vocaloid:

note that if both p and ~q are false the result must be false not true so there must be at least one statement that is F instead of T

princeevee:

so the top right then?

Vocaloid:

for p V ~q the result will be true unless p and ~q are both false you will have three T's and one F

Vocaloid:

be sure you are checking the correct columns

princeevee:

last check would be the bottom right, then,

Vocaloid:

be sure you are looking at the p and the ~q columns not the q column

princeevee:

okay, something strange happened...

princeevee:

i dont know what, but it looked like it resetted and changed during me testing it..

Vocaloid:

uh alright then

princeevee:

anyways....

princeevee:

i guess let's just continue...

princeevee:

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Vocaloid:

you have the upside down V here which means ~and~ so if ~p and ~q must both be true for the result to be T, otherwise it's F

princeevee:

top left.

Vocaloid:

perfect

princeevee:

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princeevee:

i would guess this one is A?

Vocaloid:

p V q would include the middle section too so it can't be A try to find the statement that will exclude the part where p and q are both true

princeevee:

then B? P /\ q?

princeevee:

that might not be it either..

Vocaloid:

p /\ q would only be the middle section and that's the opposite of what we want

princeevee:

leaves C and D

Vocaloid:

hint: the blue crescent on the left can be described as "not q" and the blue crescent on the right can be described as "not p"

princeevee:

so it's D then

princeevee:

but wait, v means that they have to include the center one

Vocaloid:

p V q must include the center, yes ~p V ~q does not include the center ~p means everything outside p ~q means everything outside q so combining them means everything that is ouside p or outside

Vocaloid:

*or outside q which excludes the center making D the only possible sol'n

princeevee:

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princeevee:

alright so it says p/\q

princeevee:

that means they need to be false to be true?

Vocaloid:

/\ means "and" so both p and q must be true in order for the result to be T otherwise, F

Vocaloid:

so yeah the one you've selected is correct

princeevee:

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princeevee:

@Vocaloid

Vocaloid:

~p --> ~q is only false if ~p = T and ~q = F every other condition of ~p and ~q is T

princeevee:

alright

princeevee:

the top right one then

Vocaloid:

good

princeevee:

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princeevee:

so /\ means "and" right?

Vocaloid:

yes

princeevee:

so A

Vocaloid:

yes

princeevee:

converse means negative, or opposite, right?

Vocaloid:

sort of, if you have an if-then statement you just reverse the if and then parts

princeevee:

so the converse of p -> q is ~p->~q?

Vocaloid:

that would be the inverse not the converse converse would be q -> p

princeevee:

thanks

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