help please
@dude
@Vocaloid
nevermind this, i already solved it, i have a different question though.
the ~ in front of q means "not q" so everything in p but excluding everything in q
so that means the one on the top right?
*excluding everything in q*
so the top left one then
good
so this one dosent have a ~, which means it includes q, right?
right
for truth tables, if you have p v q I believe that in order for the result to be true, you need at least one truth value between p and q
so the first one is marked out, because it has an FF, yet it's T
yes
same for the second one, i assume also
yes
however, the third one looks the most reasonable one
good, that's your sol'n
for this one, you need to go back to the first question, right? or is this different?
hm. not sure about this one tbh. I'll see what I can find on the web.
hm. not sure about this one tbh. I'll see what I can find on the web.
alright
asked someone for advice on this one and they suggest ~(p v q) since nothing in the venn diagram is shaded, this statement would exclude everything inside the diagram
the upside down V symbol /\ means that both p and ~q need to be true in order for the result to be true, otherwise its false make sure you are looking at the ~q column not the q column
ah, so both need to be T to be completely true, or have T in the right columm
yes
so the bottom left one?
be sure you are looking at the p column and the ~q column not the q column
oh, so both P and ~q need to be T?
yes
oh, the top left one then
top left has p true Q~ false but the result is still true which cannot be the case notice how the top right has every p/\~q false except when they're both true which matches the original statement, so it has to be the top right
oh, alright
this one has an arrow, now...
so the arrow is an if-then statement a --> b is true except where a is true and b is false
so ~p --> ~q is only false when ~p is true and ~q is false; otherwise the statement is true
the correct solution will show ~p T and ~q F ====> F with all the other rows in the table being true
oh,
top right?
@Vocaloid
top right cannot be true because it has ~p T and ~q F ====> T instead of F
look for the table that shows: ~p T and ~q F ====> F with every row besides that row being true
they all do have that column
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so it's either the top left or the bottom right.
only the top left and bottom right have ~p T and ~q F ====> F
but looking at it more, it's the top left
now, between those two, pick the choice where every row except that row is true
good, top left
for this one, we kinda went over it before,
it's pV~q which it's like...
P=t, ~q=f = T?
yes
bottom left?
note that if both p and ~q are false the result must be false not true so there must be at least one statement that is F instead of T
so the top right then?
for p V ~q the result will be true unless p and ~q are both false you will have three T's and one F
be sure you are checking the correct columns
last check would be the bottom right, then,
be sure you are looking at the p and the ~q columns not the q column
okay, something strange happened...
i dont know what, but it looked like it resetted and changed during me testing it..
uh alright then
anyways....
i guess let's just continue...
you have the upside down V here which means ~and~ so if ~p and ~q must both be true for the result to be T, otherwise it's F
top left.
perfect
i would guess this one is A?
p V q would include the middle section too so it can't be A try to find the statement that will exclude the part where p and q are both true
then B? P /\ q?
that might not be it either..
p /\ q would only be the middle section and that's the opposite of what we want
leaves C and D
hint: the blue crescent on the left can be described as "not q" and the blue crescent on the right can be described as "not p"
so it's D then
but wait, v means that they have to include the center one
p V q must include the center, yes ~p V ~q does not include the center ~p means everything outside p ~q means everything outside q so combining them means everything that is ouside p or outside
*or outside q which excludes the center making D the only possible sol'n
alright so it says p/\q
that means they need to be false to be true?
/\ means "and" so both p and q must be true in order for the result to be T otherwise, F
so yeah the one you've selected is correct
@Vocaloid
~p --> ~q is only false if ~p = T and ~q = F every other condition of ~p and ~q is T
alright
the top right one then
good
so /\ means "and" right?
yes
so A
yes
converse means negative, or opposite, right?
sort of, if you have an if-then statement you just reverse the if and then parts
so the converse of p -> q is ~p->~q?
that would be the inverse not the converse converse would be q -> p
thanks
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