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zarkam21:

Data Interpretation Question..

zarkam21:

zarkam21:

@Hero @SmokeyBrown

SmokeyBrown:

Well, alright, as the water freezes, the density changes from about 920 kg/m^3 to about 1000 kg/m^3. Using the final value and initial value, you should be able to find the percent change using the equation given

zarkam21:

Oh okay thats part of what I had trouble with, they are theoretically just speaking about the value at 0 degrees Celsius

zarkam21:

zarkam21:

i put 918 because its not exactly on the 920 line, its a better view on the bigger graph

SmokeyBrown:

Yeah, that makes sense

zarkam21:

SmokeyBrown:

Careful about the decimal points. I got 0.09 when I did the calculations. Then, don't forget to multiply that by 100 to convert the decimal into a percentage.

zarkam21:

so 9%

zarkam21:

but two sig figs so 9.0%

zarkam21:

?

zarkam21:

you there?

SmokeyBrown:

Oh, yeah, I agree. 9.0% should be right. 8.9%, maybe, but it depends how many decimals you keep when you do the calculations

zarkam21:

its wrong :/

zarkam21:

@Hero

Hero:

Why is there information on the side talking about water temperature going from 150 Celsius to 100 Celsius?

Hero:

Are we talking about water boiling or water freezing that we need to answer about?

zarkam21:

freezing

zarkam21:

ANd I'm not sure. I think it may just be an introduction

Hero:

In order to calculate percent change. You need two values. I only see one value mentioned. Zero Degrees Celsius. Is there another part to the problem that you accidentally excluded from the screenshot?

Hero:

Oh, nevermind lol

Hero:

I thought she was saying that the graph is not included with the question. I see what the two values are now.

Hero:

At 0 degrees, the density drops from 1000 to 920

SmokeyBrown:

Ok, so the question is about freezing, I overlooked that. The "initial" value would be for water in its liquid state, and the "final" value would be for water in its solid state. So, if our calculations earlier were correct, your answer should be -9.0%, not 9.0% Like Hero said, the density decreases, as the water freezes.

Hero:

The initial value is 1000 and the final value is 920 btw. Plug into the formula and calculate @zarkam21

Hero:

Or rather ... 920 is the initial value and 1000 is the final value. Sorry. And you're right. Looks like the initial value is less than 920

zarkam21:

so -9.0?

zarkam21:

bcuz 9.0 didnt work

Hero:

Let me try to calculate it

Hero:

Let me try to calculate

Hero:

I'm getting -8.70

zarkam21:

Ugh, still not right. Idk

Hero:

Hang on. Mixed up the formula

Hero:

8.70 final answer

Hero:

If that isn't right. I'm retiring for the night.

zarkam21:

It's not :/

Hero:

Good grief.

zarkam21:

Hero:

I think because the initial value isn't exactly 920

zarkam21:

yeah its like 918 or something

zarkam21:

its not exactly on the 920 line

Hero:

No telling. Could be 919 or 917

zarkam21:

or maybe its looking for the initial initial value of when water is still liquid to when it turns into ice. "Calculate the percent change in density that occurs when liquid water freezes to ice at 0 ∘C given that"

Hero:

No, it's pretty clear the values apply to the Zero Degree Celsius condition.

zarkam21:

Mmm

Hero:

What do the available hints say?

Hero:

...

zarkam21:

zarkam21:

zarkam21:

zarkam21:

SOrry was taking me a minute to take screenshots

Hero:

What happens if you scroll your cursor over the graph? Does it display any values?

zarkam21:

no nothing

zarkam21:

Hero:

There is no way to say for certain what the initial value is.

zarkam21:

lets try 919 just for the last of it

Hero:

You have two attempts remaining. try 918 and 919

zarkam21:

So 1000-919/919*100% = 0.08 = 8%

Hero:

Will they reveal the correct answer after you've run out of attempts? This is why I don't help with chem questions.

zarkam21:

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!

Hero:

I'm getting 8.8 for that calculation

zarkam21:

In the hints section, you can submit the density in kilograms per cubic meter as an integer.

zarkam21:

zarkam21:

This should solve our issue

zarkam21:

so we said the initial was 919 let me try that

Hero:

Curious eyes await the truth value

Hero:

Could be anything from 917 to 919. It's def not 920

zarkam21:

zarkam21:

This is what it is saying

Hero:

Try 918 and 917

zarkam21:

well how do we calculate the density of a curve

zarkam21:

All wrong

Hero:

Okay. I'm out of the game then. Guess I don't know what they're asking. Never ask me a chem question again.

zarkam21:

Lol okay.

zarkam21:

@Shadow

zarkam21:

PLease help.

Hero:

Do they give you the answer if you run out of attempts?

zarkam21:

Yes, but I lose all points :/ I think @Vocaloid IS BUSY

zarkam21:

otherwise she would havebeen able to help

Hero:

I'm curious as to what the answer is. There's voca now.

zarkam21:

No, she said she is busy

Hero:

I don't think she would come here if she did not intend to provide some assistance.

zarkam21:

Okay genius.

Vocaloid:

hm. just a hypothesis based on an initial glance, but if they want the density of water as it freezes, perhaps you would start from the top of the 0 celcius region (so closer to the 1000 kg/m^3 region?)

Vocaloid:

I haven't read the entire thread so sorry if you guys already tried that >>

Hero:

Tried that with values 1000 and 920

Vocaloid:

rip

Hero:

BTW @zarkam21 did you already confirm that 920 is definitely not the initial value?

zarkam21:

JUst did right now and it is not

Hero:

Okay, just checkin'

zarkam21:

I got the answer. I ran out of attempts its -8.0

Hero:

Hmm

Hero:

Yep, no more chem questions for me. You had it and I discouraged you from putting that.

Hero:

I mis-interpreted the significant digits thing.

Hero:

But did they say what the initial value was?

zarkam21:

No, it just siad The density of water decreases by about 8.3% as it changes from a liquid to a solid. Since ice is less dense than liquid water, it floats.

Hero:

I see.

zarkam21:

would this be the same idea?

zarkam21:

Hero:

Now they want volume, but I'm going to withdraw from helping further with this question. Try MHB or Quora.

zarkam21:

OKay thanks for the help =) I appreciate the help

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