Data Interpretation Question..
@Hero @SmokeyBrown
Well, alright, as the water freezes, the density changes from about 920 kg/m^3 to about 1000 kg/m^3. Using the final value and initial value, you should be able to find the percent change using the equation given
Oh okay thats part of what I had trouble with, they are theoretically just speaking about the value at 0 degrees Celsius
i put 918 because its not exactly on the 920 line, its a better view on the bigger graph
Yeah, that makes sense
Careful about the decimal points. I got 0.09 when I did the calculations. Then, don't forget to multiply that by 100 to convert the decimal into a percentage.
so 9%
but two sig figs so 9.0%
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you there?
Oh, yeah, I agree. 9.0% should be right. 8.9%, maybe, but it depends how many decimals you keep when you do the calculations
its wrong :/
@Hero
Why is there information on the side talking about water temperature going from 150 Celsius to 100 Celsius?
Are we talking about water boiling or water freezing that we need to answer about?
freezing
ANd I'm not sure. I think it may just be an introduction
In order to calculate percent change. You need two values. I only see one value mentioned. Zero Degrees Celsius. Is there another part to the problem that you accidentally excluded from the screenshot?
Oh, nevermind lol
I thought she was saying that the graph is not included with the question. I see what the two values are now.
At 0 degrees, the density drops from 1000 to 920
Ok, so the question is about freezing, I overlooked that. The "initial" value would be for water in its liquid state, and the "final" value would be for water in its solid state. So, if our calculations earlier were correct, your answer should be -9.0%, not 9.0% Like Hero said, the density decreases, as the water freezes.
The initial value is 1000 and the final value is 920 btw. Plug into the formula and calculate @zarkam21
Or rather ... 920 is the initial value and 1000 is the final value. Sorry. And you're right. Looks like the initial value is less than 920
so -9.0?
bcuz 9.0 didnt work
Let me try to calculate it
Let me try to calculate
I'm getting -8.70
Ugh, still not right. Idk
Hang on. Mixed up the formula
8.70 final answer
If that isn't right. I'm retiring for the night.
It's not :/
Good grief.
I think because the initial value isn't exactly 920
yeah its like 918 or something
its not exactly on the 920 line
No telling. Could be 919 or 917
or maybe its looking for the initial initial value of when water is still liquid to when it turns into ice. "Calculate the percent change in density that occurs when liquid water freezes to ice at 0 ∘C given that"
No, it's pretty clear the values apply to the Zero Degree Celsius condition.
Mmm
What do the available hints say?
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SOrry was taking me a minute to take screenshots
What happens if you scroll your cursor over the graph? Does it display any values?
no nothing
There is no way to say for certain what the initial value is.
lets try 919 just for the last of it
You have two attempts remaining. try 918 and 919
So 1000-919/919*100% = 0.08 = 8%
Will they reveal the correct answer after you've run out of attempts? This is why I don't help with chem questions.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!
I'm getting 8.8 for that calculation
In the hints section, you can submit the density in kilograms per cubic meter as an integer.
This should solve our issue
so we said the initial was 919 let me try that
Curious eyes await the truth value
Could be anything from 917 to 919. It's def not 920
This is what it is saying
Try 918 and 917
well how do we calculate the density of a curve
All wrong
Okay. I'm out of the game then. Guess I don't know what they're asking. Never ask me a chem question again.
Lol okay.
@Shadow
PLease help.
Do they give you the answer if you run out of attempts?
Yes, but I lose all points :/ I think @Vocaloid IS BUSY
otherwise she would havebeen able to help
I'm curious as to what the answer is. There's voca now.
No, she said she is busy
I don't think she would come here if she did not intend to provide some assistance.
Okay genius.
hm. just a hypothesis based on an initial glance, but if they want the density of water as it freezes, perhaps you would start from the top of the 0 celcius region (so closer to the 1000 kg/m^3 region?)
I haven't read the entire thread so sorry if you guys already tried that >>
Tried that with values 1000 and 920
rip
BTW @zarkam21 did you already confirm that 920 is definitely not the initial value?
JUst did right now and it is not
Okay, just checkin'
I got the answer. I ran out of attempts its -8.0
Hmm
Yep, no more chem questions for me. You had it and I discouraged you from putting that.
I mis-interpreted the significant digits thing.
But did they say what the initial value was?
No, it just siad The density of water decreases by about 8.3% as it changes from a liquid to a solid. Since ice is less dense than liquid water, it floats.
I see.
would this be the same idea?
Now they want volume, but I'm going to withdraw from helping further with this question. Try MHB or Quora.
OKay thanks for the help =) I appreciate the help
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