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zarkam21:

Help with electron configuration

jhonyy9:

?

jhonyy9:

electron configuration of what chimic element ?

jhonyy9:

there are so much

zarkam21:

Gallium

jhonyy9:

do you think it hence ,in this way : Gallium. Electronic configuration. 1s22s22p63s23p63d104s24p1.

Vocaloid:

I think it's also important to understand where that comes from |dw:1538251332264:dw|

Vocaloid:

first we locate gallium on the periodic table |dw:1538251348937:dw|

Vocaloid:

now, starting from hydrogen, the first row is the 1s block 2 electrons gives us 1s2 for Helium, then we keep going

Vocaloid:

next row is the 2s block (Li and Be) giving us 1s2 2s2 from Boron to Neon is the 2p block, thats 6 electrons going across the row, so 1s2 2s2 2p6

Vocaloid:

same logic for Na to Mg (the 3s block) and Al to Ar (the 3p block) so 1s2 2s2 2p6 3s2 3p6 now it gets a bit tricky once you get into the d block. the 3d (Sc to Zn) block is lower in energy than the 4s block (K and Ca) so we have 1s2 2s2 2p6 3s2 3p6 3d10 4s2 finally, gallium is the first element in the 4p block. we stop at gallium giving us 4p1 as the final term in the configuration 1s2 2s2 2p6 3s2 3p6 3d10 4s2 4p1 this can also be expressed in terms of noble gas configuration as [Ar] 3d10 4s2 4p1 basically, we write the first noble gas that comes before Gallium (which is argon), and the electron configuration for the elements after argon

Vocaloid:

there is another method to do this, which you may or may not have learned |dw:1538251807469:dw| basically start from the first diagonal and work your way along the diagonals until you have the right # of electrons (in this case, 31)

zarkam21:

Yes I did learn about feeling certain orbitals first

zarkam21:

zarkam21:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Vocaloid next row is the 2s block (Li and Be) giving us 1s2 2s2 from Boron to Neon is the 2p block, thats 6 electrons going across the row, so 1s2 2s2 2p6 \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) I get where you are getting the 1s from because that is where the element is located on the periodic table but why is it 1s2

Vocaloid:

hydrogen = 1s1 helium = 1s2

Vocaloid:

same logic with Li and Be Li = 1s2 2s1 Be = 1s2 2s2

zarkam21:

Wait I though Helium was 1p

Vocaloid:

|dw:1538273228749:dw|

Vocaloid:

an s orbital has 2 electrons so naturally the 1s orbital must include both hydrogen and helium

zarkam21:

okay so an l,l,ml,mz values for Gallium would be 4,3,-1,+1/2

zarkam21:

n,l,ml,mz **

zarkam21:

actually it would be 1,0,0,-1/2

Vocaloid:

hm, you were a little closer the first time n = principal quantum number = energy level = 4 since we're in a 4p orbital l = 1 since it's in a p-orbital ml = -1 since it's the first electron in the p orbital spin = actually it can be either -1/2 or +1/2

zarkam21:

its l , n-1?

zarkam21:

isnt l, n-1?

zarkam21:

or is it just the letter

Vocaloid:

no, l can take all possible values from 0 to n-1

Vocaloid:

s orbital = l = 0 p orbital = l = 1 d orbital = l = 2 f orbital = l = 3, etc.

zarkam21:

oh okay so it can actually be 4-1=3,2,1,0?

Vocaloid:

yes, those are the possible values for n = 4 since we have a p orbital, l = 1

zarkam21:

4p n=4 l=1 ml=-1 mz=+1/2

zarkam21:

okay so n is just the number before the letter and the rest like l and ml are determined by the the subshell not the number before the letter?

Vocaloid:

sort of yeah

Vocaloid:

n will give you the possible values of (l) but yes, the spdf will determine which l-value it is for m-values, you need to list all the possible l-values in order, and determine which one it should be based on which element you're dealing with for the gallium example, the possible m-values are -1,0,1 since gallium is the first electron in the 4p orbital, it gets -1 the next element will get 0 and the element after that will get m = 1

zarkam21:

okay so my values are correct?

zarkam21:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @zarkam21 4p n=4 l=1 ml=-1 mz=+1/2 \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\)

Vocaloid:

yeah that should be good

zarkam21:

zarkam21:

isn't this right for boron?

zarkam21:

the 5 electrons

zarkam21:

and the first two are filled first , that would equal

Vocaloid:

yeah that should be right

zarkam21:

its not

zarkam21:

do I fill all of 2p

Vocaloid:

hm. weird. no, you wouldn't fill 2p.

zarkam21:

nvm I got it. The ones that were empty I wasnt supposed to fill

zarkam21:

after 4s is it 4p?

zarkam21:

or 3 d?

Vocaloid:

after 4s is 3d

Vocaloid:

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Vocaloid:

hm. now that I think of it I did swap 4s and 3d on the gallium configuration >>

zarkam21:

Use this tool to generate the electron configuration of Firenic (As).

zarkam21:

Vocaloid:

almost in the 4p orbital, remember that electrons don't really like being paired up unless they have to so each subshell only gets 1 electron

Vocaloid:

|dw:1538275938910:dw|

zarkam21:

oh right i have to fill them as single first and then doulbe if i have to

zarkam21:

Vocaloid:

good start just missed one #3: 3, 2,-2, 1/2 is fine if l = 2, then m can be any integer from -2 to 2 so #3 is fine

Vocaloid:

others should be fine

zarkam21:

ground state of a neutral beryllium atom, Be

zarkam21:

Vocaloid:

hm. i'd have to think about this one for a bit but Be only has 4 electrons.

zarkam21:

but wouldnt it fall in the d category so 2?

Vocaloid:

Be is in the 2s orbital

zarkam21:

Thats what I meant. SO n value woud be 2 and l would be -1,0,1

Vocaloid:

anyway the quantum numbers for Be are: n = 2 l = 0 (this is an s-orbital electron) m, therefore, must also be 0 spin can be +1/2 or -1/2 as usual

Vocaloid:

remember, Be still has the same electrons that Helium and hydrogen would have so the n = 1 electrons are also in Be

Vocaloid:

so putting this all together the 2s electrons: (2, 0, 0, 1/2) and (2, 0, 0, -1/2) the 1s electrons: (1, 0 , 0, 1/2) and (1, 0, 0, -1/2) anything with (2, 1....) is a p-orbital electron. that would be Boron, carbon. etc. and would not be included in Be.

zarkam21:

(2, 0, 0, 1/2) and (2, 0, 0, -1/2) (1, 0 , 0, 1/2) and (1, 0, 0, -1/2)

Vocaloid:

yes, those would be the 4 electrons included in Be

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