What's worlds oldest religion
Answer= So there are two things to be kept in mind 1st for those who believe in adam he submitted himself to one God making him Muslim coz Islam means believing in one God so Islam is oldest n for those who don't believe, its paganism
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OLIVER69:
what exactly do you need help with?
Conqueror99:
@oliver69 wrote:
what exactly do you need help with?
I was answering the question i asked
OLIVER69:
then you don't need a question posted if you know the answer
Conqueror99:
@oliver69 wrote:
then you don't need a question posted if you know the answer
Ok
toga:
The world's oldest religion is a subject of debate among scholars, but many believe that Hinduism, which originated in the Indus Valley civilization in present-day India and Pakistan over 4,000 years ago, is the oldest religion in the world. Other contenders for the title of oldest religion include Zoroastrianism, which began in ancient Persia around 4,000 years ago, and Judaism, which traces its roots back over 3,000 years to the ancient Israelites.
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Conqueror99:
@toga wrote:
The world's oldest religion is a subject of debate among scholars, but many believe that Hinduism, which originated in the Indus Valley civilization in present-day India and Pakistan over 4,000 years ago, is the oldest religion in the world. Other contenders for the title of oldest religion include Zoroastrianism, which began in ancient Persia around 4,000 years ago, and Judaism, which traces its roots back over 3,000 years to the ancient Israelites.
Even in jew religion there is something called common faith n that goes by the name of islam now n adam was the first man of this common faith so on a religious level it's Islam
crimsonkimchi:
Islam wasn't founded as a religion until much later
toga:
The origin of the world's oldest religion is a matter of debate among scholars. However, many of them believe that Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world, which emerged from the Indus Valley civilization in present-day India and Pakistan over 4,000 years ago. Hinduism is a complex and diverse religion that encompasses a wide range of beliefs, rituals, and practices.
Another contender for the title of oldest religion is Zoroastrianism, which originated in ancient Persia around 4,000 years ago. It is characterized by its emphasis on the struggle between good and evil, and the belief in one God, known as Ahura Mazda.
Judaism is also considered one of the oldest religions in the world, which traces its roots back over 3,000 years to the ancient Israelites. It is based on the belief in one God, known as Yahweh, and the revelation of his laws to Moses on Mount Sinai.
Overall, the history of religion is a complex and fascinating subject, and the debate over the world's oldest religion continues to spark discussions and interest among scholars and laypeople alike.
Conqueror99:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
Islam wasn't founded as a religion until much later
I said on a religious level the Abraham, Adam,mosses , jesus all taught submission to God n that's what Islam means and all these prophets brought the same religion and belief
crimsonkimchi:
You can argue that about any abrahamic religion
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Conqueror99:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
You can argue that about any abrahamic religion
Yeah well so there are reasons why the Islam is the religion firstly coz jews changed thier religion and rituals n the christians changed thier beliefs so yeah these two Abrahamic religions aren't the same religion
crimsonkimchi:
Islam is the only one of the three that calls the bible corrupted, it has definitely changed things
toga:
It is true that Islam as a formal religion was not established until much later, but the concept of submission to God has been present since the time of the prophets Abraham, Adam, Moses, and Jesus. In fact, "Islam" literally means submission to God. It is believed that all of these prophets brought the same message of submission to God, and their teachings form the foundation of the Islamic faith.
crimsonkimchi:
Christianity reveres those prophets and it dates back to Adam and Eve of course too. I don't see how Islam is somehow older than that
toga:
When considering the origins of Christianity and its veneration of prophets, it's worth noting that its history extends all the way back to the biblical figures of Adam and Eve. These foundational figures are central to the religion's beliefs and practices, and their stories have been passed down through generations of worshippers. While it is true that Islam also venerates prophets - including many of the same figures as Christianity - it is important to recognize the unique history and traditions of each faith. Ultimately, the question of which religion is "older" is complex and multifaceted, and may depend on one's interpretation of historical and theological evidence.
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crimsonkimchi:
Are you just chat-gpt or what
toga:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
Are you just chat-gpt or what
nope I just know a lot because I believe that if you are an atheist then you should learn about the different religions
crimsonkimchi:
Judging by how quickly you typed the other answers, and how they are properly capitalized and punctuated, you didn't write them yourself lol
toga:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
Judging by how quickly you typed the other answers, and how they are properly capitalized and punctuated, you didn't write them yourself lol
I did but I used AI to make it more detailed cuz English is not my first language
Conqueror99:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
Islam is the only one of the three that calls the bible corrupted, it has definitely changed things
Well Islam calls but also keep in mind that the book has been changed 1 there are a few verses contradicting the so called trinity 2 the trinity is an belief adopted later 3
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Conqueror99:
@toga wrote:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
Judging by how quickly you typed the other answers, and how they are properly capitalized and punctuated, you didn't write them yourself lol
I did but I used AI to make it more detailed cuz English is not my first language
Same
crimsonkimchi:
The trinity is the belief adopted by the church. But Islam is still a belief that started after that point
toga:
@conqueror99 wrote:
@toga wrote:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
Judging by how quickly you typed the other answers, and how they are properly capitalized and punctuated, you didn't write them yourself lol
I did but I used AI to make it more detailed cuz English is not my first language
Same
what language
Conqueror99:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
The trinity is the belief adopted by the church. But Islam is still a belief that started after that point
Tell me did Adam, Abraham, mosses , david not submit to one God? Thier religion is called by different names but tell me is the context different? Did they not teach to worship one God?
Conqueror99:
@toga wrote:
@conqueror99 wrote:
@toga wrote:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
Judging by how quickly you typed the other answers, and how they are properly capitalized and punctuated, you didn't write them yourself lol
I did but I used AI to make it more detailed cuz English is not my first language
Same
what language
Im sindhi
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crimsonkimchi:
Christianity also submits to that same God and reveres all of them
Conqueror99:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
Christianity also submits to that same God and reveres all of them
Tell me does Christianity not make jesus God?
crimsonkimchi:
Christianity is of the belief that Jesus is God come down to earth as man yes
Conqueror99:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
Christianity is of the belief that Jesus is God come down to earth as man yes
See Jesus can't be God want some biblical verses to prove that to u?
toga:
@conqueror99 wrote:
@toga wrote:
@conqueror99 wrote:
@toga wrote:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
Judging by how quickly you typed the other answers, and how they are properly capitalized and punctuated, you didn't write them yourself lol
I did but I used AI to make it more detailed cuz English is not my first language
Same
what language
Im sindhi
cool I am Mexican and french
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Conqueror99:
@toga wrote:
@conqueror99 wrote:
@toga wrote:
@conqueror99 wrote:
@toga wrote:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
Judging by how quickly you typed the other answers, and how they are properly capitalized and punctuated, you didn't write them yourself lol
I did but I used AI to make it more detailed cuz English is not my first language
Same
what language
Im sindhi
cool I am Mexican and french
Noice
crimsonkimchi:
Go for it, but if Islam believes the bible is corrupt then that's already a weak start for its case, considering it uses the bible to validate itself
Conqueror99:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
Go for it, but if Islam believes the bible is corrupt then that's already a weak start for its case, considering it uses the bible to validate itself
Why do u think that?
crimsonkimchi:
If the bible is corrupt, but is also needed to validate Islam, you don't think that's shaky ground?
Conqueror99:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
If the bible is corrupt, but is also needed to validate Islam, you don't think that's shaky ground?
Why do u think Quran needs that
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Conqueror99:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
If the bible is corrupt, but is also needed to validate Islam, you don't think that's shaky ground?
Numbers 23:19
“God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?"
1timothy 2:5
"So there is one God and one mediator between god and humankind. The man jesus Christ
crimsonkimchi:
These aren't proof of anything. God stated very clearly that He is unlike man in the sense that He does not sin like men do. The second verse doesn't contradict anything, because Jesus is both man and God.
Conqueror99:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
These aren't proof of anything. God stated very clearly that He is unlike man in the sense that He does not sin like men do. The second verse doesn't contradict anything, because Jesus is both man and God.
Ok ok “Father,… This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent” (John 17.3).
crimsonkimchi:
Naturally my question would be: why did Jesus lie then? Did God send him to deceive us?
toga:
@conqueror99 wrote:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
If the bible is corrupt, but is also needed to validate Islam, you don't think that's shaky ground?
Numbers 23:19
“God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?"
1timothy 2:5
"So there is one God and one mediator between god and humankind. The man jesus Christ
drama is about to happen
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Conqueror99:
This clearly says that jesus is calling someone else god n the point u made are invalid as well coz God litterally says that i am not a man nor son of man n also calls jesus Christ man amd also son of man in many places
Conqueror99:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
Naturally my question would be: why did Jesus lie then? Did God send him to deceive us?
Jesus didn't lie but thr church changed the message of Jesus
crimsonkimchi:
You mean Jesus's church changed His message? The one He established with Peter as the pope? That's heretical you know
toga:
I understand that you have a question about Jesus and his actions. It's important to note that there is much debate and interpretation surrounding the teachings and actions of Jesus. However, it is generally accepted among Christians that Jesus did not lie and was not sent by God to deceive us. In fact, the teachings of Jesus emphasize honesty, compassion, and love. It's important to continue exploring these teachings and finding answers to your questions through careful study and reflection.
crimsonkimchi:
That's what I'm saying. Jesus did not lie, because He was without sin
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Conqueror99:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
You mean Jesus's church changed His message? The one He established with Peter as the pope? That's heretical you know
Not talking about that talking about the Catholic church which gave trinity in 325 ad n also changed the message of Jesus
crimsonkimchi:
Right right. Heresy is all I see here, you need to read up some more on what Jesus said about His church
Conqueror99:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
Right right. Heresy is all I see here, you need to read up some more on what Jesus said about His church
Im not talking about the first churches we don't have any documents or bibles before the 325 th ad so we can't confirm anything
toga:
please be respectful of each other's religions
Conqueror99:
But after the 325 th ad people added Christianity in the first nicean council u can search it up jesus wasn't supposed to be God in the first place
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Conqueror99:
Trinity*
toga:
The first Council of Nicaea, which took place in 325 AD, was a significant event in the history of Christianity. It was during this council that the Nicene Creed was formulated and adopted, which helped to establish the basic beliefs of the Christian faith.
crimsonkimchi:
Well anyway, regardless of what you think to be true about Christianity, it is still at the very least, as old if not older than Islam
Conqueror99:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
Well anyway, regardless of what you think to be true about Christianity, it is still at the very least, as old if not older than Islam
Well practically Christianity is older n theocratically Islam is older n 2nd thing its not what i think but the truth u can also go and search on google
crimsonkimchi:
I'm confident in my assertions, every new detail I learn only bolsters that
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Conqueror99:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
I'm confident in my assertions, every new detail I learn only bolsters that
No it doesn't i proved u wrong
crimsonkimchi:
You can't even prove to me the bible is corrupted
toga:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
You can't even prove to me the bible is corrupted
the Bible has undergone changes and translations over time, leading to potential errors and discrepancies. Others believe that the Bible is a divinely inspired text that has remained unchanged and accurate throughout history. Ultimately, it is up to each individual to research and form their own beliefs on this topic.
The bible is not meant to be God's exact word. It's divinely inspired by God and written by eye-witnesses of His actions. The many translations are because lots of people wanted to read it and not everyone speaks Aramaic or Hebrew
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crimsonkimchi:
The discrepancies from those translations can be smoothed out by referencing other translations and picking out the outliers
toga:
can we please show some respect for others religion
crimsonkimchi:
Who are you talking to
toga:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
Who are you talking to
both of you
crimsonkimchi:
I didn't say anything wrong. I came here and said Islam isn't the oldest because it came later. Then I get with some nonsense about how Jesus was just a man and nothing more and some low quality takes on why Christianity is man-made and not real
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toga:
you can not change others' beliefs so stop trying to this goes for both of you
crimsonkimchi:
No, I'm good. I didn't do anything wrong and I stand by that
toga:
i am not saying that you did anything wrong
crimsonkimchi:
And also, you very much can change other people's beliefs. Happens all the time, usually behind closed doors though where people feel less embarrassed about admitting their previous world view was wrong
toga:
@crimsonkimchi wrote:
And also, you very much can change other people's beliefs. Happens all the time, usually behind closed doors though where people feel less embarrassed about admitting their previous world view was wrong