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OpenStudy (anonymous):
What do you need answered??
OpenStudy (m):
trying to use equation to write question but not working
OpenStudy (amistre64):
yeah, they blame it on user error lol
OpenStudy (m):
hmm i click and nothing
OpenStudy (amistre64):
{SS} dx.dy ; [a,b] [c,d] works
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
hey amister!!!
OpenStudy (amistre64):
hi ;)
OpenStudy (amistre64):
i saw a cute pic and figured... why not help lol
OpenStudy (m):
when you switch from 1 to 2 for dx and 0 to lnx for dy
you end up with 0 to ln2 and e^y to 2
OpenStudy (m):
it's impossible to do this without equation lol
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
is it dx.dy order ; or dy.dx order?
OpenStudy (m):
but shouldn't dy switch to 0 to 2?
OpenStudy (m):
going from dydx to dxdy
OpenStudy (amistre64):
so your re adjusting the intervals right?
OpenStudy (m):
answer book has it 0 to ln2
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OpenStudy (m):
switching the order
OpenStudy (amistre64):
{S{Sdy}dx} ; x interval = [1,2] ; y interval = [0, ln(x)] originally right?
OpenStudy (m):
yeah
OpenStudy (amistre64):
then teh easiest thing to do is graph it; with the lines y=0, y=ln(x), x=1, x=2
OpenStudy (m):
when you switch shouldn't it be [0, 2] and [e^y, 0]
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OpenStudy (m):
i mean [0, 2] and [e^y, 2]
OpenStudy (amistre64):
OpenStudy (m):
yeah i drew the pic but can't figure out the limits
OpenStudy (amistre64):
this is the area we want, you agree?
OpenStudy (m):
very nice yes
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
then we determine the switch this way right?
OpenStudy (m):
yeah
OpenStudy (amistre64):
{S{S} dx} dy} ; new y = [0,e^2] then, we want it a straigh line ...
OpenStudy (amistre64):
ln(2) = y
and new x = [e^y, 2]
OpenStudy (amistre64):
new y = [0,ln(2)]
new x = [e^y,2] ; you said the book has an answer?
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OpenStudy (m):
yeah
OpenStudy (amistre64):
y = ln(2) at the top right?
so new y = [0,ln(2)]
OpenStudy (m):
that makes sense but when i look at another problem
[0, 1] [4x, 4] dydx switches to [0, 4] [0, y/4] dxdy
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OpenStudy (m):
whoops ignore that
it's [4, 0 ][0, sqrt x]dydx to [0, 2][4, y^2]dxdy
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OpenStudy (m):
[0, 4][0, sqrt x]dydx to [0, 2][y^2, 4]]dxdy
OpenStudy (m):
^^ that's correct one lol
OpenStudy (amistre64):
gonna make me draw another pic aintcha lol
OpenStudy (m):
if i do it like the way you did it then should it new become [0, sqrt x][y^2, 4]dxdy?
OpenStudy (m):
lol you dont have to
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
but I did lol
OpenStudy (m):
yeah
OpenStudy (m):
this is so confusing
OpenStudy (amistre64):
OpenStudy (amistre64):
your just switching out the new for the old; it takes practice, but clearly define the old and new
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OpenStudy (m):
but the new limits would be [0, sqrt x][y^2, 4]dxdy
OpenStudy (m):
but answer says [0, 2][y^2, 4]dxdy
OpenStudy (m):
can you tell where i'm getting confused?
OpenStudy (amistre64):
look at the picture; the new limit goes to 0,2 becasue its no longer a part of the curve...
OpenStudy (amistre64):
sqrt(x) is an old limit for an old y; that curve is no longer a part of the new y
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
just like old x = 0 is no longer a part of new x interval;
OpenStudy (amistre64):
new y matches old x in that it is a limit that is defined from a point to point....
new x matches new y in that it is a limit from a curve to a point.....
OpenStudy (amistre64):
its like reading a map backwards to get back home .... you have to reorient it to make sense
OpenStudy (m):
i think im going to have to look at all the pictures again very slowly by myself lol
OpenStudy (m):
thanks for the help! need to start from top again
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