I don't understand adding or subtracting a number from a positive or negative number. Could you explain?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
Give an example of one that confuses u...
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Ok. -6-5?
OpenStudy (mimi_x3):
well for example
+ and + = +
- and + = -
+ and - = -
is that what you mean LOLs
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Let's go with an analogy, you borrow 6 dollars (or euros, whatever) from a friend, so you owe your friend 6.
Now u borrow another 5, so how much do u owe your freind?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Eleven right?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
Since they are both positive....or whichever..?
OpenStudy (mimi_x3):
i think its -1 lmao
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Sorry, my computer crashed...
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Yes, 11 is right.
Now say it was the other way around, you loaned your friend 11.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
These two 11's are different, right?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
.....then....I'd owe them nothing? [O____o]
OpenStudy (anonymous):
:-) Step at a time....
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Yes, because they are owed to different people yes?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
That's one way of looking at it, from "outside"
OpenStudy (anonymous):
But what about from your point of view...?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
yup
OpenStudy (anonymous):
we'd be even?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
How so?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Since I owed my friend $11 and I gave them $11.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Or...does that not apply?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
Well, u didn't give it, u loaned it....
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Let's put some signs in to clear things up, let's say u got the loan of 11 and we will say u are now
+11
OpenStudy (anonymous):
So your friend would be..?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
So now I have $11 right?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Friend...um...give you a name?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
:-) If u are +11, what is your friend's position..?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
At zero?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
She gave u 11, so u are +11.
Then she is...?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Minus 11
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Right. And, from "outside" the position is "even"
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
Ok. So like this? -6k-5k=-11
-1k=-11
divide by -1 both sides
k=11
Am I right?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
No.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Let's continue our analogy...
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok
OpenStudy (anonymous):
U pay 4 back to your friend out of the 11 u owe.
What's the state of play now, for u, for her, from outside?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
Describe in numbers what has happened...
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Pay 4? You mean I pay her back four? Out of the total of 11 that I owe her?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Yes.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
For her: I owe her $7 Me: I owe her the 7 Outside(?): I owe her 7 dollars/euros more
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Ok, that's the state of play, now describe in numbers what has happened to get there...
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
U had 11....
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Then I gave her four.....and I still owe $7? What happens with the 7?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
So 11-4 =7, right?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
yes
OpenStudy (anonymous):
And what are those numbers from your friends point of view?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
She gave me 11. I gave her 4. I still owe her 7 more. Am I right NoW?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
That's from your point of view....ie 11-4 =7
What are the numbers from your friends point of view?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
"I" gave her 11. "She" did not pay me back in full. She gave me 4. But she still owes me 7 more.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
-11 + 4 = -7?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I believe so. Because "I" do not have the 7 that "She" still owes.
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
11-4 =7 Your position
-11 + 4 = -7 Your friend
Add these two equations, can u?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Add them together? 7+-7? That would be zero. We'd be even.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Correct, even though a transaction of 4 took place, the position from outside is still even.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Now we will complicate matters a bit, your friend says she desperately needs to get 5 of her 7 back, can u help.
U haven't got it but u have another friend who agrees to lend u 5 so that u can pay back your friend, so u do that.
What are the positions now?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I give my 1st friend the 5. I only owe her 2 more by this time. My 2nd friend, I now owe HER 5. Either way I owe people 7.
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
11-4 +5 -5 =7 Your position
-11 + 4 +5 = -2 First friend
-5 Second friend
Agree?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Yes, I agree.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
And if u add them up, it will still be zero because all u have done is move money about from one place to another...
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Ok, let's go back to what you posted earlier
Ok. So like this? -6k-5k=-11
-1k=-11 divide by -1 both sides
k=11
Can u see your mistake now?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
.....no. Not really. My apologies.
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
What's -6k+5k?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
-1k
OpenStudy (anonymous):
So then what is -6k -5k?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
1k?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Think of the minuses as making loans...
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
So...-11k?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Right.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Moving on..
-4 - 7 + 6 is?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
5!
OpenStudy (anonymous):
-4-7 is?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
-11
OpenStudy (anonymous):
-11 +6 is?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
-7
OpenStudy (anonymous):
?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
?!?!? Sorry! I got distracted! -5 is my final answer.
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
Right, so -4 - 7 + 6 is -5 (not 5).
OpenStudy (anonymous):
-4-7=-11+6=-5
OpenStudy (anonymous):
We seem to be OK with the idea that
-4-7 = -11 so now what about
-4 - - 7?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
3
OpenStudy (anonymous):
YOU JUST GRADUATED FROM THIS ROOM!
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
Thanks! Um...What does that mean?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
He thinks u have got it..:-)
Do u agree?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
MIA, I think she might have....
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I do. But I'll have to review it often or take notes again. I forgot about this after a whole summer. We just got back to school tuesday. Thank you guys! Um...or girls! xD
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ur welcome.
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
estudier.... so the correct answer to -6k-5k=-11 k=1?