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OpenStudy (anonymous):

How many steps are required to break an m x n bar of chocolate into 1 x 1 pieces? You can break an existing piece of chocolate horizontally or vertically. You cannot break two or more pieces at once (so no cutting through stacks).

OpenStudy (anonymous):

stacks ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

meant rows,eh?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You can't place one piece on top of the other, and break them both with one move.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i like this problem :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

LIKE!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Anyone got an answer for me?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is it ok if i say it? i was kinda hoping someone else would get it.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Doesn't look like anyone else is interested :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how can people not be interested? its a bar of chocolate!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Maybe they're lactose intolerant?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It might be soya chocolate people!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

or like icecream ?

myininaya (myininaya):

it takes (m times n) times

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Incorrect I'm afraid!

myininaya (myininaya):

lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

mn thats what you need

OpenStudy (anonymous):

lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

m n^2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It's close, but it's no cigar.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

m are rows right then m^2 n

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Your first answer was the closest.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you guys have the right idea for sure. (when saying m*n)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

m (n-1) or (m-1)n

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Nope, I'm afraid not.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok let me do this 3x3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

we need three column cut

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You need 2 columns cut, not 3.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

at the bottom

myininaya (myininaya):

(m-1)+(n-1)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well 2 cuts to make 3 columns.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah sorry 2 thats what i meant

OpenStudy (anonymous):

then 3 row cut

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@myininaya nope >.<

OpenStudy (anonymous):

anyway unless m=n it depend on how you break it. ... good clue ?

myininaya (myininaya):

wait why

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It doesn't depend on how you break it.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

As long as all your breaks are straight vertical or horizontal lines.

myininaya (myininaya):

if we have a 3*2 then we need 2 horizontal cuts and 1 vertical cut if we have a 4*6 then we need 3 horizontal cuts and 5 vertical cuts

OpenStudy (anonymous):

m(n-1) this should be it (m-1)(n-1)x n

OpenStudy (anonymous):

this should be correct

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If you have a 3*2, you need 5 breaks. Remember you can only break one piece at a time. You are incorrect Ishaan!

myininaya (myininaya):

i get 3 breaks how do you get 5?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Once you make your 2 vertical cuts, you have 3 pieces which have to be cut separately. You can't cut all 3 pieces with one cut.

myininaya (myininaya):

ok

myininaya (myininaya):

i really dont know im confused

OpenStudy (anonymous):

my answer is correct i buy 3x3 bar ( i don't like 2x3 )

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I have a hint i want to give but i think it pretty much solves the problem =/

myininaya (myininaya):

so would we need 60 for a 4*6?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You would need 23 for a 4x6

myininaya (myininaya):

lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Think of it like this, if you have an mxn bar, you want to end up with m*n pieces. No matter where you break it the first time, you will end up with 2 pieces afterwards. I deleted over half of my hint lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The same can be said of any break. A single break on any piece will create one \(extra\) piece.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

m(n-1) + n-1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hows this

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i mean m(n-1) + m-1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

LOL

OpenStudy (anonymous):

That will work for square pieces only Ishaan, when m and n are equal.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ah, didn't read your second one Expand out the brackets.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i say ishaans formula works all the time

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no it works for 4x6 m(n-1) + m-1 4(6-1) + 4-1

myininaya (myininaya):

(m-1)+((n-1)*m) let me see if this works

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i got it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

myininaya's works too.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah you said "m(n-1) + n-1" first, which I replied to. Your second one is correct, but you can make it simpler.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ahah yeah myininaya works too

myininaya (myininaya):

yep i tested it on another one

OpenStudy (anonymous):

mn -1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

m*n-1

OpenStudy (dumbcow):

(m*n)-1 because you dont have to break the last piece

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I expected this question to end way earlier XD

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well i got confused

OpenStudy (anonymous):

1 break = 2 pieces 2 break = 3 pieces 3 breaks = 4 pieces ? breaks = m*n pieces

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it was the understanding of how exactly the bar is being broken that made for confusion.

myininaya (myininaya):

lol yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if i hadnt seen the problem before, i dont know how i would have understood it.

myininaya (myininaya):

ok how about if we did vertical and horizontal cuts without caring about breaking just one at a time?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I guess it would be (m-1)(n-1) then

myininaya (myininaya):

oh wait i said it ealier (m-1)+(n-1)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Sorry, put a + sign in there between the brackets.

myininaya (myininaya):

lol

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