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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Determine which, if any, of the three statements are equivalent. Give a reason for your conclusion. Show complete work.. I) If the garden needs watering, then the garden does not need weeding. II) Either the garden needs watering or the garden does not need weeding. III) If the garden does not need watering, then the garden does not need weeding. a. None are equivalent b. I, II, and III are equivalent c. I and II are equivalent d. I and III are equivalent e. II and III are equivalent

OpenStudy (anonymous):

another one of these STUPID problems..lol

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

Basic steps are: 1) Translate each into symbolic form 2) Construct truth tables for each symbolic expression 3) Compare the last column of the truth table. If two tables have the same last column, then those corresponding expressions are equivalent

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so lets call 1. p 2. q 3 r

OpenStudy (anonymous):

right?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

1. as in statement 1?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes....

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

no need to be that broad, you can think smaller and say p: the garden needs watering q: the garden needs weeding.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so statement I for instance translates into p --> ~q

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok so in words that would mean garden needs watering not if garden needs weeding? right

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yes p --> ~q translates back into "If the garden needs watering, then the garden does not need weeding."

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how does the second one translate then...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

p -->~q its the same thing

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

Key words "either" and "or" tell us to use a V and not a --> So it translates to p V ~q

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so 1 and 2 are not equivalent. right?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I didn't say that, but we can use either truth tables or logical simplification to find out

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

keep in mind that p --> q is the same as ~p V q

OpenStudy (anonymous):

we have to figure out III.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so they are the same then?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i'm confused .. :( sorry

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

statement III translates to ~p --> ~q

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok i was starting to type that out for III.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

and ~p --> ~q becomes ~(~p) V ~q which simplifies to p V ~q

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

oh sry

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok how come its not written out ~(~p) V ~ q? and written p V~q

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

because ~(~p) becomes just p

OpenStudy (anonymous):

because its opposite right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i know i'm a pain in the arse... sorry

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

it's ok, yes ~(~p) = p since ~ means opposite

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

~p means the opposite of p (~p = NOT p)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

~(~p) is the opposite of ~p ~(~p) in english is NOT NOT p or just p

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

im still with ya jim... :)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

ok so what did you come up with

OpenStudy (anonymous):

p V ~q

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

for statement III ok good, so this is the same as statement II

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

if you scroll back up or look at your previous work, you'll see this

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so statements II and III are equivalent

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes... so the answer would be B all three of them

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

no, because statement I is not the same as II or III

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no it would be II and III same

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yeah just II and III

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok... ty

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yw

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