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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Hey guys i am working on subset theory and stuff like that. I need some help on this one. If A={1,2,34,...} and B={2,4,6,8,...}, then What does A-B equal

OpenStudy (jamesj):

I assume you mean A = {1, 2, 3, 4, ... }, yes? In any case, A - B means the set of the elements of A which are not elements of B. So what are the numbers or elements in A that are not elements of B?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes i mean that, so the answer would be 1 and 3 right?

OpenStudy (jamesj):

{1, 3, 5, 7, 9, ....} , yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so odd numbers

OpenStudy (jamesj):

Right

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Why the hell doesn't my teacher teach me it like this lol they try to make it sooo confusing. lol

OpenStudy (jamesj):

Probably because I am a mathematician and your teacher most probably is not. :-)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok here is another one from my hw. What is n(A) for the set A={0,{1,2},4}.

OpenStudy (jamesj):

What's the definition of n(A), the number of elements of the set A?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

OpenStudy (jamesj):

So write down for me, one element per line, the members of the set A

OpenStudy (jamesj):

0 ...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well i don't understand why 1,2 have like their own parethisis

OpenStudy (jamesj):

because it's a set The members of the set are 0 {1, 2} 4 So the members are a mix of numbers -- 0 and 4 -- and of a set -- { 1, 2}

OpenStudy (jamesj):

because a set need not have the same sort of thing in it always as members.

OpenStudy (jamesj):

in any case, what then is n(A) for this A = {0, {1, 2}, 4}

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ooooo ok ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sooo the answer is 3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wow i definently tried to make that too hard

OpenStudy (jamesj):

correct, 3.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

damn man u a good mathmatician lol like you teach it in a way i understand

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thanks iight the next one i have to like draw a venn diagram for you. Using set theory notation describe the shaded region provided in the Venn Diagram...

OpenStudy (jamesj):

Meh ... that's harder to see. You might have to figure that one out by yourself.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah your right its too hard to draw

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok this one is there like short cut to figure out how many proper subsets does the set F={0,1,2,3....,10} have?

OpenStudy (jamesj):

Yes. Each element is either in the subset or it is not in the subset. Consider the set G = {a, b} Then the subsets are - the empty set (neither a or be in the subset) - {a} (a in, b out) - {a, b} (a in, b in) - {b} (a out, b in) So for each element there are two possibilities. Hence for G there were 2 x 2 = 2^2 possibilities; i.e., 4 subsets. Now for your set there are 11 members, so there are 2 x 2 x .... subsets. What is this exactly?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

2,048

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if i just keep multiplying

OpenStudy (jamesj):

That was 2^11 and you're exactly right, 2^11 = 2,048 So there's a general rule here. Suppose A is a set with n(A) members, a finite number. Then the number of subsets of A is \[2^{n(A)}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ooooo ok ok gotcha thanks man i really appreciate it

OpenStudy (jamesj):

sure. 'good answer' appreciated.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i should of clicked that like 10000 times lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok what about, For any set A, A ∪ ∅=______ and A ∩ ∅=______

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the _______ is the line where the answer is supposed to gothats how it looks in my book

OpenStudy (jamesj):

Well, what's the definition of those things and what do you think the answers are?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

For any set A, A Union a empty set = i don't know, lol i mean i dono if i am looking for a number or letter or what

OpenStudy (jamesj):

What does A union B mean?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

elemnts are either in A or B or in both

OpenStudy (jamesj):

Yes, so A union empty set is

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oelements are either A or an empty set or both

OpenStudy (jamesj):

...which is what? What elements are in the empty set?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the ones not in A lol i dono

OpenStudy (jamesj):

If you're stuck with this sort of thing, take a concrete example to help you figure it out. So let's take B = {1,2,3,4,5} What is the union of B with the empty set?

OpenStudy (jamesj):

By the way, the elements of the empty set are .... nothing, because it's the empty set, it has no elements.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well a empty set wouldn't be 1,2,3,4,5

OpenStudy (jamesj):

No so for this particular set B\[B \cup \emptyset = ??\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x:x is not 1,2,3,4,5

OpenStudy (jamesj):

No. Back to defintions

OpenStudy (jamesj):

Let X = {1, 2, 3} and Y = {3, 4, 5}. What is \[X \cup Y\]?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so x u y is 1 and 3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

numbers that are in either x y or both

OpenStudy (jamesj):

No X union Y is the set whose members are in X or Y. So \[X \cup Y = \{ 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 \}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oooo ok

OpenStudy (jamesj):

So now suppose Y = empty set = {}. What is \[X \cup Y = X \cup \emptyset = ???\]

OpenStudy (jamesj):

Remember X = {1, 2, ,3}

OpenStudy (jamesj):

Are you stuck?

OpenStudy (jamesj):

I'm going to assume you are. So let me ask you this. If X = {1,2,3} and Y = {4} what is the union of X and Y?

OpenStudy (jamesj):

Ok ... bye.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

my bad man cpu died and i couldn't find the charger

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so the union of x and y is 1,2,3,4 correct?

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