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OpenStudy (anonymous):

y = (sec x + tan x)(sec x - tan x) y' = ?

hero (hero):

Bovice, would you agree that the first step is to multiply it out?

hero (hero):

And also, are you telling me your teacher never showed you how to take the derivative of (sec x)^2 ?

hero (hero):

Go ahead Ishaan. Clearly he doesn't want my help anymore.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[y =sec^2x - tan^2x \] \[\frac{dy}{dx} = 2*secx^{2 -1}*(secx*tanx) -2*tanx^{2-1}*(sec^2x)\] \[y' = 2sec^2x*tanx - 2sec^2x*tanx = 0 \] Hero's method...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

we are not using that method that method has NOT been taught yet

OpenStudy (anonymous):

this problem can be solved WITHOUT using the chain rule

hero (hero):

Bovice, please just answer my question. Did your teacher show you how to take the derivative of (sec x)^2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(sec x + tan x)(sec x - tan x) = (1 - sin²x)/cos²x

OpenStudy (anonymous):

now solve it....

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes it is

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I mean It's the same

OpenStudy (anonymous):

in both cases the answer is 1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so the derivative of 1 = 0

hero (hero):

Well, at least you were able to solve it

hero (hero):

of course, you could have substituted the top 1-sin^2x = cos^2 x cos^2x/cos^2x = 1

hero (hero):

Good job bovice.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i've seen that rule before.... cos²x = 1 - sin² x ? right?

hero (hero):

Yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[sec^2x = 1 + tan^2x \] \[sec^2x - tan^2x =1 \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

now i understand the problem.... you have y = cos²x / cos²x y = 1 y' = 0

hero (hero):

Sorry, I don't have all the identities memorized Ishaan

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ishann's identities dont help but they can be rearranged...

hero (hero):

I must admit, that's a terrible admission

hero (hero):

Well had I known that, we would have arrived at the same conclusion without chain rule

hero (hero):

It helps. You should add that identity to your memory bank

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Use of Identities definitely helps

OpenStudy (anonymous):

again, this answer didnt need the chain rule, nor was it helpful to introduce the chain rule....this question was all about rearranging the original equation before differentiating....thank you and good night lol

hero (hero):

I apologize for making you angry. It wasn't my intention. I only used chain rule because I couldn't remember the identity. Sorry bro. I think you got plenty of help here though. Feel free to come here anytime you need help

OpenStudy (anonymous):

not angry....frustrated

hero (hero):

Oh. Well, we got it and you did a good job getting there. For some reason you came here even though you managed to actually get the solution on your own. We need more students here like you who actually try to think for themselves. Maybe you figuring it out on your own was meant to be.

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