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OpenStudy (anonymous):

What is the difference between a number and a numeral?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

ones arabic and the other is romantic

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so I'm gonna invent the agdgdgdgwngocimal numeral system with the symbols ~`!@#$%^&*, with ~ being equal to the number 0, with

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so ~ is a numeral?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

a numeral is the symbol of a number, as i see it

OpenStudy (amistre64):

we have roman numerals

OpenStudy (amistre64):

number would be an attribute; there are three of them in number, whereas there are 3 of them

OpenStudy (anonymous):

alright. what makes a particular system of numerals more useful than another? Why use binary when dealing with computers instead of decimal? Why go from roman numerals to decimals in the first place? Why not use simple tally marks instead of the decimal system?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

all numerals represent a number; but not all numbers can be represented by a numberal ... maybe

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the usefulness of a system just depends on its application. and what properties that arise from it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The difference is sort of like the difference between a person and his name. You are a person, and there is just one of you. But different people probably call you by different names. Your name isn't you, but it represents you. In the same way, a number is a thing that we talk about in math, such as "three," which is hard to define exactly. I might say it's the abstract property or "threeness" that is shared by any set of three things. A numeral, on the other hand, is any name or symbol for that number, such as "3" or "III" or "11 (binary)" or whatever animal face is used to represent a three in Mayan carvings. You can't see a three, but you can see things that can be described by the number 3, and you can see the numeral "3" that is used to represent it. We have to be careful sometimes not to confuse the numeral with the number. For example, a numeral "12" may have two digits, but the number 12 could be represented by numerals with other numbers of digits, or by numerals where the concept of digit is meaningless. We often get questions like "are there any numbers after a trillion?" when people really mean, "are there any names for numbers bigger than a trillion?" Similarly, the fact that no one can ever write out the numeral for the number we call "pi" completely doesn't mean the number doesn't exist! On the other hand, we do often use the word "number" to mean "numeral" when it isn't important to make that distinction. I don't get upset if someone says he's writing a number, when it's really a numeral he wrote.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

you can tell thats a copy paste ....

OpenStudy (amistre64):

its kinda like saying; shutup and read a book ...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so the numeral 12, represents the number 12, which may be expressed by the hexadecimal numeral c?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

why are you guys talking so much about something that trivial that will never be on an exam.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

becasue there is more to life than an exam

OpenStudy (anonymous):

There's more to life than medicine, and girls, and exams

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the numeral 12 does not represent the number 12; it represents the number of twelve.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh, the number OF twelve.... I get it!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

life is more importand then exam elecenginner

OpenStudy (amistre64):

just as the color red, represent the concept of "being red"

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so numbers are just abstract stuff which represent magnitude?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

magnitude is one aspect yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

What other aspects are there in a number?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

none that i can think of at the moment, but im sure that it is more encompassing than quantity :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

in binary, on and off

OpenStudy (amistre64):

good good, on and off

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what about sign? what magnitude does zero represent? what magnitude does i represent? what about infinity?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

sign is a way to express direction from an arbitrary origin

OpenStudy (amistre64):

zero represent that arbitrary origin :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I thought zero represented void

OpenStudy (amistre64):

i represents a set that uses a fuller potential of number than the reals do

OpenStudy (amistre64):

zero represents someplace to start; start from zero and you can express any number by writing it as a numeral a certain distance and direction from it

OpenStudy (amistre64):

zero is not a void, null is a void

OpenStudy (amistre64):

zero is like "clear" is to color. its a reality. whereas a void is the absence of all

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh I get it now

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Or maybe I don't... :(

OpenStudy (amistre64):

or maybe you will :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

:)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

i have 0 kids with me, does not mean that I have no kids.

OpenStudy (jwt625):

so what's the difference

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the difference between having no money, and there being no existience of money

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So how do we represent void in math?

OpenStudy (jwt625):

just nothing

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

ø

OpenStudy (anonymous):

phi?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[NULL =\phi\]

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

phi = ϕ null = Ø

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so NULL is not a number?

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

is 0 a numeral for the number zero and ø a numeral for no numbers

OpenStudy (jwt625):

no,it means there is a collection,although there is nothing in it,but it's not void

OpenStudy (anonymous):

What is the difference between \[\{\}\text{ and }\phi\]

OpenStudy (jwt625):

in discrete mathematics,Ø means zero

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but I thought it meant void

OpenStudy (jwt625):

it means void,but it isn't void

OpenStudy (unklerhaukus):

lol

OpenStudy (jwt625):

it's hard for a foreigner to express something in another language:/

OpenStudy (anonymous):

paradox O.o do your best explaining how something that means or represents void is not void :-D

OpenStudy (jwt625):

so i just said"just nothing"

OpenStudy (jwt625):

if you need it to represent void,that's unkle's answer

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