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OpenStudy (anonymous):

{x | x E N and x < 8} Express set using the roster method

OpenStudy (chriss):

{1,2,3,4,5,6,7}

OpenStudy (amistre64):

8 9 10 11 tweee..eee...e..e..eee.eee.eeellve

OpenStudy (amistre64):

i forget what that was off of

OpenStudy (chriss):

Sesame Street... :P

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the trick here is that N is not well defined set; some include 0 and others do not

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the E is a symbol that looks like and E just can't type it

OpenStudy (amistre64):

e means element in this case

OpenStudy (amistre64):

x e N

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

OpenStudy (chriss):

Usually for mathematical reasoning classes, 0 is not included in N

OpenStudy (anonymous):

element of a set

OpenStudy (amistre64):

or else its a backwards E that means every

OpenStudy (anonymous):

This question is complete gobbly gook to me

OpenStudy (amistre64):

write out the number that are elements of the Natural set that are less than 8

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what does the xlx mean

OpenStudy (amistre64):

x | x e N x such that x is an element of N

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so x is part of N and less than 8

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yes

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the "and" having a specific math meaning

OpenStudy (chriss):

\[{x|x \in \mathbb{N} and x<8}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok i think lol

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the latex seems to be crowding up lately

OpenStudy (chriss):

I've noticed that too.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes it looks like that

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I wish I understood this stuff better

OpenStudy (amistre64):

notation is just another language, you have to practice it to get better :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

its simply saying; write all the natural numbers that are less than 8

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I need a symbol chart/book for dummies

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ty

OpenStudy (chriss):

It's really cool once you get it down... makes note taking so much faster without having to write all that stuff out.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

right

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ready for more?

OpenStudy (chriss):

I can do 1 maybe 2 more before I have to go.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok ty so much

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[5 \epsilon \left\{ 2,4,6,...,20? \right\} this is false? \right\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

5 E (2,4,6,...,20) false set right

OpenStudy (chriss):

this is a t/f and you are asking if 5 is in that set? if that's the case, you are right... that is false.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

36\[\notin\] 1,2,3,4,5... 40 is true correct

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well thank you I at least understand the set thing a little woo they are counting by 1's so 36 is included in the set

OpenStudy (anonymous):

false because of the stupid E thing errrr

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I think I understand the straight forward ones thank you so much

OpenStudy (chriss):

right it is flase because you have the "is not an element" symbol and you are welcome. I'm glad I could help.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You have and awesome night

OpenStudy (chriss):

thanks :) you too!

OpenStudy (chriss):

Last one before I go :P and just a hint... is 21 less than 21?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no

OpenStudy (chriss):

then 21 is not in the set and the "not in the set" operator means this statement is true :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

see with just the numbers \i can read and understand it it's the other stuff that screw's me up

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x is in the set of N; x is less than 21

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but all of it is not and element

OpenStudy (anonymous):

21 E(crossed out) )x E N; x<21)

OpenStudy (chriss):

\[21 \notin \left\{ x|x \in \mathbb{N}/ and/ x < 21 \right\}\]

OpenStudy (chriss):

that is what you are looking for right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah that is close only the one X at the beginning, does ; equal and

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I have to determine if it is true or false so x is part of the set of N and x is less than 21

OpenStudy (chriss):

ok... basically the same though, so your set is {1,2,3,...,20} 21 is not in that set and the statement is that 21 is not in the given set.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

because at the end it is less than 21?

OpenStudy (chriss):

right and since you are dealing with Natural numbers, as defined, the set only goes up to 20.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok ty very much my brain is now bleeding lol

OpenStudy (chriss):

I hear ya. I have some homework to hemorrage by when I get home myself lol So I'm off. Take care and good luck.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

And thanks for taking the time to try and explain these things to me, ever need help with English I can help :) Math NO nite

OpenStudy (chriss):

nite :)

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