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OpenStudy (diyadiya):

Question:-

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

this is the equation right ?\[s=ut+ \frac{1}{2} gt^2\]

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

@imranmeah91

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you are missing , initial height

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[x=x_0+v_0 t+1/2 a t^2\]

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

i forgot all these things :S

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it is important , 4 kinematic eqauation http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/1dkin/u1l6a.cfm

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

where did that initial height come from?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if you throw a projectile from top of a building , you will have to factor in the height of the building

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

i thought it was just \[s=ut+ \frac{1}{2} gt^2\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

only if the intial height is zero

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

oh

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

so stone falls from the top of the tower in 8s

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but initially it is at the Top of the tower

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

so what's x_o here ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

height of the tower which we just call as h

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

ok and what is x here?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well , after 8 second , it is on the ground which mean height is equal to 0

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

ok so x is final height ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

and u is 0?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes, intially there is no velocity , like the instant when you let go

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

yeah so 0=h+1/2*9.8*64 ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

can we take g as 10 ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well, we will lose precision

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

ok

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

so h=-313.6

OpenStudy (anonymous):

should be positive

OpenStudy (anonymous):

g=-9.8

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

Oh ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

0=h+1/2*(-9.8)*64

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

ok 313.6

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok , use that in other equation

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

ok

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

Well ,h-h/4=h+0*t+ 1/2 * 9.8* (t^2) what is that?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well, final height is first quarter height of tower

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so h- h/4

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

oh ok

OpenStudy (apoorvk):

i guess the problem is solved, right?

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

No

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

i didn't get it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok what part?

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

h-h_o/4=1/2*-9.8*t^2 ?

OpenStudy (apoorvk):

i guess you need a bit of revision. no worries there. can you post an exact problem @diyadiya so that we can show how the things are working, and clear out the cloud?

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

I haven't done all these since long time ,so i completely forgot yeah i'll post

OpenStudy (anonymous):

actually , it is final height= initial hieght+ vo * t + 1/2 a t^2 h-h/4=h+ v0t + 1/2 a t^2 two h cancels, vo =0 -h/4= 1/2 (9.8) t^2

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

ok h is zero right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no, h as you found out was 313

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

OHHHHHHHHHH YA

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

ok so now i have to find t ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

@apoorvk A stone falls from the top of the tower in 8s. How much time it will take to cover the 1st quarter of the distance starting from top

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

Okay 4s :D

OpenStudy (anonymous):

good job,

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

THANK YOU SO MUCH!

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

whats the angle b/w instantaneous displacement and acceleration during the related motion?

OpenStudy (apoorvk):

okay. so we dissect this question now. here's how. since i dont know what 1/4th of the height is, let me first find the entire height. and then we 'll try to solve for the time taken to fall that distance. let the entire height be 'h', intial velocity= u=0 (since its been 'dropped') time taken to cover = t= 8 sec. and acceleration = +g ('+' since the gravity here wil have an accelerating effect on the ball's speed with time) so, using second equation of motion, \[h = ut + (1/2) g t^2\] substitute u=0, g=10 or 9.8 whichever, t= 8 you get the entire ht 'h' which is something like 320 m (if i am right) now one quarter of that height, that is 'h/4' is what? 80 metres yes!! so once again we remember newton and his second equation \[h/4 = ut + (1/2) g t^2\] you know what h/4 is, you know u=0. and you know g=10 so you have a quadratic in 't'. so, what next?? solve it for 't'!! get time required. (and if you are just wondering what to do with negative values of 'time', just drop 'em!! time can't be negative in the context we 're talking!) what answer do you get? was 4 sec what you got there? hope that brought back some good ol' memories!!

OpenStudy (apoorvk):

just a point, in the secong part take the time as " t' " just to avoid confusion with total time, which was 't=8'.

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

Thankyouu i'll try this as well but when is g +ve and -ve?

OpenStudy (apoorvk):

see. this is a very confusing thing for some (though it actually isn't at all), and different people use it in a different way. here's how i use it (and you can too if it suits you): when i see that the object is under a free-fall, i take g as '+' because if g is positive, it means the body is under positive acceleration, and its speed increases as it falls (that is what happens, kya?). now if the body is being thrown up, it stops at some height above, so basically you get a feel it's undergoing retardation, or negative acceleration. so there i take g as "-ve", so that the retardation can be effected in the equation.

OpenStudy (diyadiya):

Ok yeah got it :D thanks

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