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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Is this true? ∅ is a subset of {∅, {∅}}

OpenStudy (anonymous):

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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

i think \(\phi\) is a subset of any set and here, \(\{\phi\}\) is also a subset

OpenStudy (anonymous):

can people explain to me what {∅, {∅}} means?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

in the first case it is used as empty set, in the second case it is used as an element

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

@kropot72 correct me if im wrong

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is it: empty set is a subset of ... (dont know this part) Why do they use {{∅}}?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\phi\) represent an empty set. \(\{\phi\}\) here, \(\phi\) is an element with in a set \(\{\{\phi\}\}\) here, \(\phi\) is an element with in a subset of set

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but they all mean empty sets... :(?

OpenStudy (kropot72):

It is accepted in mathematics that each set is a subset of itself. It is also accepted that the empty set is a subset of every set.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\{\phi\}\) is this an empty set ? i dont think so... i may be wrong...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so this question is True?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

its true.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

but im confused with my question above lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so can you use english to translate all the symbols please?

OpenStudy (kropot72):

The empty set is denoted by the symbol\[\phi\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so is it "empty set is a subset of two elements an empty set and an element of an empty set"...?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yep ! thats correct translation of ur question. By definition, "empty set is a subset of any set"

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so no matter how they write it, it will always be true? Like {∅} is a subset of {∅, {∅}} and {{∅}} is a subset of {∅, {∅}}

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

no wait a sec.. they all are different things i think. pls wait.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

@kropot72 u have handy knowledge on this...

OpenStudy (kropot72):

The empty set is a member of every set, including itself. This is fundamentally true.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

second line she has put also true ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

for the second line, is that because in one of the element in the list is {{∅}} ? so {{∅}} is in the list?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yep.. second line is also true. that element is in list. u are using it correct :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so should I treat ∅ as an variable like X or something? Do they have the same properties?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\{\{\{\phi\}\}\}\) is not a subset

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

nope \(\phi\) is a set

OpenStudy (kropot72):

Like {∅} is a subset of {∅, {∅}} and {{∅}} is a subset of {∅, {∅}} I agree that the first line is true but cannot get my head around the second line. The question is an extreme example of set theory anyway. I would not push it further myself:)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

me too lol :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

lol I have {{∅}} do not equal {∅} on my notes maybe I will ask my professor tomorrow morning..

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yep they are not equal

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\phi\) is a set \(\{\phi\}\) is also a set, but its not empty. it has ONE element

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\{\{\phi\}\}\) is also set, that contans ONE subset, which contains ONE element.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

i may be completely wrong... pls other guys pitch in n correct me :\

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

@pog8207215 thats what i think... i think its correct. does it make sense to u ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thank you for the explanation ! It makes so much more sense to me that way!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I have a question that has real numbers...

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

glad to hear that.. :))

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